New 6.0 Ford diesel

wildcats · June 22, 2002

I hate to tell this to all of you Duramax lovers, but the Dmax is soon to be the weakest diesel among the Big 3 truck makers. Ford's new 6.0 diesel (coming late this year) produces 325 HP and 550 ft. lbs. torque. Rumors say that it can be tuned for much more as well. Dodge's latest version of the 5.9 produces 305 HP and 555 ft. lbs. torque. If I had to choose among the 3 trucks, I would definitely go with Ford's new diesel. Not only is it very powerful, but it is also the cleanest and quietest diesel of the three.

Bob G. · June 23, 2002

Just wondering... If Ford's new diesel is not on the market yet, how do you know that it is cleaner and quieter than the rest? Are you in the market for a diesel?

Bob G.

DMAX Daddy · June 23, 2002

About time they played catch-up!

Since this is an obvious troll Ill leave it at that.

wildcats · June 23, 2002

I know it's quieter and cleaner than the DMax and Cummins because Navistar is already using the engine. Ford just hasn't put in on the market yet. Also, how can Ford be playing catchup to the Duramax? Their 7.3 diesel already has more torque (525 vs. 520). If I recall correctly, Chevy's old diesel only put out 420 ft. lbs. of torque. That is way weak for a diesel. The new Duramax might have a slight horsepower edge over the current 7.3 PSD (300 vs. 275), but 25 HP in diesel engines is not that big of a deal. It's torque that gets in done in HD trucks.

akdiesel · June 23, 2002

If I had to choose among the 3 trucks, I would definitely go with Ford's new diesel.

More power to ya.

Lets see the ford has a projected power of 325hp/550tq. The dodge has 305hp/555tq. That is 25hp/5tq for the ford over gm and 5hp/10tq for the dodge over gm. Real neck snapping power increase :bored:

Gm made there trans with safety features so that it will last. You start getting up over 400 hp and insted of busting expensive pieces it powers down for you. I am sure ford and dodge will have somthing like those features for there trucks. They have to because there trucks now can't handle the power upgrades that people are putting in theres to pass the already produced gm's.

There are also more than just engines that make a deal. Handling, looks, comfort, and quality. Sooner or later some one will have all those and more covered, but since 2001 gm has had the market in the diesel field.

wildcats · June 23, 2002

First let me correct you, the new 6.0 has a 25 HP / 30 lb. ft. advantage of the duramax. 325 HP and 550 lb. ft. vs. 300 HP and 520 lb. ft. Also, Ford has developed a new 5-speed auto transmission similar to the Allison 5-speed auto with a tow/haul mode and everything. So don't be saying that the Duramax will still be better because Ford's tranny won't be as good.

akdiesel · June 23, 2002

Sorry about the wrong numbers. But both the ford and the dodge are still on paper and all of those numbers for all three are not the rwhp.

Apparently gm lost more at rw due to the trans. Who knows what the ford and dodge will come in at.

It seems that it will always be a cat and mouse game for the big three. But the old 6.5 can still make good numbers and can do JUST ABOUT anything you need it to do.

bluenote · June 24, 2002

I am so amused by posting on this and other forums. When I was researching the Duramax during it's first production year, I heard F**D and D**GE owners repeatedly bash the Duramax. "It's unproven...GM hasn't had a good diesel before...the heads will warp/melt/crack," and all the other trash I'm sure a lot of you heard. The Duramax has had a great showing in it's first 2 years of production, and by golly, now the competition is making changes to overcome this. Now the "other" guys wanna troll at the GM forums about the new PSD and the improved CTD. Is it OK for us Duramax owners to say that the new PSD/5 speed auto combo will be unproven, and may have lots of problem areas? Are the new CTD owners going to wish they had bought a truck one year sooner? I'm not going to trash the other brands like that, because it's unlikely that either engine will have huge problems. Everyone has done their homework, for sure. You will very likely see GM up the ante once the others have shown some of their cards with the new builds.

Brand loyalty aside, the next couple of years will be a good time to buy a diesel pickup. The HP and torque numbers will go up some, but really....how much power do we absolutely need in a pickup? The chassis and drivetrain on a truck this size can only be pushed so far. Yes, we can boost these beasts up to the point that they'll haul a mountain, but if that's your goal, buy an MDT to begin with. I couldn't be more pleased with my Silverado, and won't be buying another truck for several years. I'd be surprised if the numbers on my next truck are significantly higher than what I'm driving right now.

BrokenBoots · June 24, 2002

Isn't competetion great? I love this country...

MarkD · June 24, 2002

I think it is great that all three are that close. The customers (us) are really the ones to benefit.

For several years now, I have been hearing that the FSD was head and shoulders above GM. Dodge had rock solid reliablity with the CTD, whereas the D-Max was "unproven".

I feel that anything less than a 50 hp/50 ft/lb difference in a 3 ton + truck is not noticeable.

After decades of poorly performing (weak,in-efficient, dirty) diesels, all three American automakers are developing top notch engines.

BTW, I'll hook what we use for hauling to any load or PSD.

MarkD · June 24, 2002

I hate to tell this to all of you

Why don't I believe this????

carguru · June 24, 2002

Oh, puleez!!! Not another one knocking the Dmax trolling for a reaction. Of course the Dmax will have the lowest power of the big 3. It will be the oldest diesel of the big 3. However, I haven't really seen where the power increase of the PSD or the Cummins that great over the Dmax. On paper it looks good to see the bigger numbers, but.... When GM put the Dmax out it was the benchmark for all the others to follow. They are just now catching up. The Dmax was the benchmark for power, quietness and cleanliness. Of course that is the design goal the others will follow. How long did it take for Cummins and Navistar to develop the quiter, cleaner diesel? No one even mentioned that until the Dmax came out. And the auto tranny for the PSD is just another example of follow the leader.

saulsse · June 24, 2002

With the new Ford motor coming out, one thing that will be interesting to see is how much oil the engine will gulp on an oil change.

With the Duramax, we have to put only 10 quarts in it. The current Power Stroke takes 10.

The Cummins that I had used to take 10 quarts as well.

Will Ford also get onto the band wagon with only having to use 10 quarts for an oil change?

Ease of mantaining the engines is also of interest. For us lucky Durmax owners, the trucks are in most cases high enough off the ground to effect a oil change with out ramps. (Yes it might be a tight squeez for some but you can get on a creeper and go just about the entire length of the truck on it to check the underside.)

Will all the filters be easy to get to replace?

The fuel filter on the Durmax is a tight squeez but you can get it off and back on again. The Cummins that I had was a nightmare to get to.

Changing out filters and doing the simple things will help us all. The Chevy 2500HD that I have, is at least allows for easy change out of simple items like light bulbs.

MarkD · June 24, 2002

With the Duramax, we have to put only 10 quarts in it. The current Power Stroke takes 10.

The Cummins that I had used to take 10 quarts as well.

Will Ford also get onto the band wagon with only having to use 10 quarts for an oil change?

????

wildcats · June 24, 2002

Speaking of oil in the diesel's, Ford has developed new oil filters that are located on top of the engine instead of below the engine to help ease the oil-changing process. these new filters are said to be similar to printer ink cartridges so there will be no oil-dripping on the engine during a change. Now I may be partial to ford, but you guys have to admit that this is a good idea.