The same new emissions that are destroying the motorhome chassis are coming to HD's

Capt Bob · November 7

There’s an old saying, that bears repeating…. “Be careful what you wish (voted) for”.

KARNUT · November 8

If you paid attention it’s about fair trade not automatic tariffs. As far an electric or emissions. The mandates will be eased up so technology can catch up. The new administration isn’t against electric or emission. It’s slowing down so cost burdens on the public don’t become overwhelming. The only yard tool I have that’s gas powered is my lawnmower. All my other tools are black and decker. The battery are interchangeable. The cost was comparable to gas. If anything was learned in the past week. Don’t force outrageous ideas on us. We’ll slap you down. No one is anti electric or pro pollution. We can only absorb so much. Now about that border…….

64BAwagon · November 8

I believe that all of the stressing about tariffs is a little premature and that the hysteria is fueled by people opposed to the President elect. The man is a master of negotiating and is likely playing the long game with our trade partners. In the past the issue has been one of fairness between nations, if you put a 50% tariff on our goods then we put the same on yours to level the playing field. Its a complex process. When this country was first founded the Federal Govt was funded via tariffs, since then there has been a steady creep to income and other taxes. There has not been any comprehensive plan put forward that I have seen and the few that have been kicked around have all involved cuts in other taxes.

I think this is all premature and illustrates the effectiveness of the Lefts propaganda during the campaigns.

64BAwagon · November 8

I also object to the progressives in CA trying to dictate policy throughout the nation. They should not be the arbiters for the rest of the country. For years the OEMs built "California emission" vehicles specifically for CA with an increased cost to their residents. That was fine since it didnt affect me. The problem is that currently they are trying to dictate nationwide and I object to that. If the residents of MA,NY,NJ,OR and WA want to throw in with them then so be it and let them bear the costs. CA IMHO is destroying their trucking industry along with the railroads and driving costs higher. They have unique issues that they should leave the rest of us out of.

revrnd · November 8

35 minutes ago, 64BAwagon said:

I also object to the progressives in CA trying to dictate policy throughout the nation. They should not be the arbiters for the rest of the country. For years the OEMs built "California emission" vehicles specifically for CA with an increased cost to their residents. That was fine since it didnt affect me. The problem is that currently they are trying to dictate nationwide and I object to that. If the residents of MA,NY,NJ,OR and WA want to throw in with them then so be it and let them bear the costs. CA IMHO is destroying their trucking industry along with the railroads and driving costs higher. They have unique issues that they should leave the rest of us out of.

Haven't they posted alerts saying people should turn off their AC while charging their EVs because the grid can't support it?

lineman1234 · November 8

I find the electrical part of discussions and or mandates to be lacking in full detail.

Being a retired electrical lineman, i know a little about demand and what is involved in staying up with electrical demand, as well as reliability. I did my working for the man time on the east coast, NH then PA, then left the east coast.

Originally, and i go back for the summers, im from way, way upper MN to the left side near ND, it gets cold in the winter, gets cold fast in the fall, stays late in the spring, so electric powered batterie things, dont like very cold. Using an all electric car, using heat and needing it to move, would use lots of power, but the batteries dont like cold.

Most people dont get the truth, or care. Solar panels and wind mill blades have a usable life span. Actually a nuclear plant also has a usable life span. People like underground, but most dont know that primary underground has a usable lifespan then its no good. Overhead wires last almost forever, the poles or supports dont but are easy to replace vs underground wires.

There was an article i read a few years ago, of California needing to replace solar panels as they reached there life span. The problem comes when California has a law not letting certain things in the land fill, and that being the solar panels that are being replaced. So, it was said they went to New Mexico to a land fill. Sounds fair right, create garbage and dump it on another. ( other states also have stuff needing disposal but cant be disposed there )

I am all for better ways and rentable energy. Not all renewable energy is cost effective or not creating waist, they just leave that part out. As well as solar and wind, dont work without sun or wind, so there is still a need of providing power in the dark or non windy, or extremely windy days.

Hear is a picture of used wind mill blades in a spot near the ND and MN boarder in ND about 50 miles from the Canadian boarder. Just sitting there. Like normal, near there, no wind mills, just the junk from them.

64BAwagon · November 8

It seems to me that there is a distinct lack of honest data regarding alternatives and their lifespan, cost and environmental impact throughout their life cycle. Windmills require foundations, shipping, maintenance and other issues that affect their overall net impact. Much like ethanol (another rabbit hole) that has a very small net positive over its cost to produce (money and energy) when that doesnt even factor the affect of all the land to grow that corn being under till instead of grazing land and the impact that has environmentally. These are super complex issues and our lazy legacy media does us all a dis-service.

I wonder if CA even has enough water to sustain life going forward ? it may make the other questions moot.

Pryme · November 8

58 minutes ago, revrnd said:

Haven't they posted alerts saying people should turn off their AC while charging their EVs because the grid can't support it?

I used to live in ca in my early 20’s before electric cars and yes, even then, they had the rolling brown outs when it was really hot and would ask people to not run ac. It was mildly annoying then I can only imagine what adding power hungry EV charging to the mix would do to the grid.

lineman1234 · November 8

I still belong to a ram cummins forum. A younger guy lives in Alaska and works for a wind mill farm company. The pictures and reality are amazing. Lots of maintenance. What is the cost to ship full scale huge windmills as well as replacement parts to Alaska. The truth of there is or isnt a profit for it would be nice. Add in the blades need replacing at some point.

Each windmill will have a large green box at the base, that box is a 3 phase transformer, converting the lower produced power to higher power then underground wire to a central place to put into the grid.

I have had to deal with people face to face wile working for the man. There solar equipment and some have battery storage, is sensitive to wanting a near perfect voltage to put back into the grid, via through the meter then to the transformer then the line. Each electric company has a low and a high residential and or commercial voltage they must meet or keep. AT times the solar is out of its range, wile the company is within its range. So the solar kicks out putting back in, the customer is PIZZZED and i get/got to give the bad news.

Things get a little fragile today in the diesel world. What happens if DEF fluid is in short demand? Even construction and farm equipment has def now.

I see the corn industry first hand up north. Fields and fields of corn for ethanol. How is it profitable? Prep field in spring, plant it, spray it with roundup at least 2 times, harvest it, store or haul it in, has to be hauled in to the elevator at some point. Needs to be tilled up, better than just grain or soybeans, so that takes more energy.

I have one place 40 miles away with non ethanol fuel up north. It costs more for non ethanol, i also get a solid 1.5-2mpg better fuel mileage with non ethanol 87 in my 6.6 gasser.

KARNUT · November 8

43 minutes ago, 64BAwagon said:

It seems to me that there is a distinct lack of honest data regarding alternatives and their lifespan, cost and environmental impact throughout their life cycle. Windmills require foundations, shipping, maintenance and other issues that affect their overall net impact. Much like ethanol (another rabbit hole) that has a very small net positive over its cost to produce (money and energy) when that doesnt even factor the affect of all the land to grow that corn being under till instead of grazing land and the impact that has environmentally. These are super complex issues and our lazy legacy media does us all a dis-service.

I wonder if CA even has enough water to sustain life going forward ? it may make the other questions moot.

I’ve listened to many podcasts across the board. I recently heard in California the water gets diverted to the ocean because of a little fish. I don’t know if the fish lives once it hits the ocean. More than enough water for crops. Here in Texas last summer many acres with solar panels were destroyed. Leaking hazardous materials. The fish thing I believe was on Joe Rogan. I waiting to see if’s there’s a counter to that. He has a few in his audience.

lineman1234 · November 8

Can you imagine this on battery power, a combine and the biggest tractor JD currently makes.

Both take DEF fluid.............................

gemarsh · November 8

44 minutes ago, lineman1234 said:

Can you imagine this on battery power, a combine and the biggest tractor JD currently makes.

Both take DEF fluid.............................

I'm doing my best keeping pre-emission equipment running. Parts are still available, fortunately. Still have a couple of square body's, but the 3 new pickups are loaded to the gills with emissions. No way I could keep up with 2000 acres, with this equipment, but what small family farms could.

C/K Man · November 8

1 hour ago, lineman1234 said:

Can you imagine this on battery power, a combine and the biggest tractor JD currently makes.

Yes, actually I can. But with regards to infrastructure we are not there yet.

https://www.wabteccorp.com/locomotive/alternative-fuel-locomotives/FLXdrive

customboss · November 8

4 hours ago, 64BAwagon said:

I also object to the progressives in CA trying to dictate policy throughout the nation. They should not be the arbiters for the rest of the country. For years the OEMs built "California emission" vehicles specifically for CA with an increased cost to their residents. That was fine since it didnt affect me. The problem is that currently they are trying to dictate nationwide and I object to that. If the residents of MA,NY,NJ,OR and WA want to throw in with them then so be it and let them bear the costs. CA IMHO is destroying their trucking industry along with the railroads and driving costs higher. They have unique issues that they should leave the rest of us out of.

CA doesn't dictate the US GOV relies on CARB for expertise.

customboss · November 8

1 hour ago, gemarsh said:

I'm doing my best keeping pre-emission equipment running. Parts are still available, fortunately. Still have a couple of square body's, but the 3 new pickups are loaded to the gills with emissions. No way I could keep up with 2000 acres, with this equipment, but what small family farms could.

Same with our roads maintaining fleet. We just bought a 2024 version 107 HP JCB 3CX-15 Super Backhoe which doubles as a snow mover. JCB engines use DEF but nothing else, DPF can't be cleaned and intregal part of exhaust. Deutz has EGR only units no DEF or any aftreatment at all.