5w30 oil

[customboss]

32 minutes ago, Black02Silverado said:

I need to be a subscriber.  It wouldn't let me read the article otherwise.

Hope that fixed it Nick. 

[diyer2]

4 pages of BS.

Use a quality oil, SIMPLE. Amsoil or Red LIne.

[customboss]

5 hours ago, diyer2 said:

4 pages of BS.

Use a quality oil, SIMPLE. Amsoil or Red LIne.

I agree some folks  sure have posted some BS on here.  

[Grumpy Bear]

What's my point? 

 

It is BS but not for the reasons you may think.  

 

My grandfather immigrated from Prussia at the turn of the last century. A hog farmer. Son of a hog farmer and grandson of a hog farmer. When he got here, he sharecropped until he had enough to start his own operation. Later a farm. 

 

His hog of choice was the Duroc. Not grain feed. Timber grazed and finished. Wooded land was cheaper, and this type of feeding gives the pork a very good flavor. He butchered, cured, smoked and salted right on the farm and people liked it. Family got the cream. What is called a "Packer Sow". One that has had at least two liters then feed up to 400 lbs. Slaughtered and butchered and finished this is one tasty piece of pig. Taste is the reason he raised, feed and cared for the breed. When company would come and find what Henry was serving up the clamored for it and he obliged many. Enough that he was a pretty wealth guy by 1929 and then history happened. 

 

Lost the operation and it never recovered. Competition from the Chester White and Yorkshires which had big liters of healthy fast gaining pigs feed corn and caged made money. Lot's of money; and an entire science formed around the industry. University studies and research dollars poured in and Chester became King of the money hogs. The science was/is solid but the product stinks. 

 

Thing is....it, on its own, is like eating a boot. Tasteless. Taste is the reason I eat pork so I seek it out. Berkshires are right there with them and a bit easier to find. 

 

What's my point? 

 

Lubrication is no longer about the goal it started out with. Wear control. The science of new oils is solid. But only in reaching the new goals which have nothing to do with wear control. New goals are waste reduction, emissions reductions. Fuel use reduction. Government mandated and OEMs' find to extinction for noncompliance. they also like to sell new vehicles. It is there business. Universities and private research science is solid but does not produce the goals I lean in on. 

 

The BS is in the LIES told promoting the new direction. You can make any point of science look good if you remove the CONTEXT. 

 

Esters and damned by the industry as being expensive, reversable in chemistry, water loving timebombs that will eat the seals out of your motor and kill the oil film. They compete with additives and yada, yada, yada....

 

Is it true? Absolutely. It just isn't the ESTER being used in the oils being damned.  A Trumpian move. 

 

One example of many. 

 

Look. I'm going to continue to believe my lying eyes. You do as you like. Believe whomever 'tickles your ears'. 

[diyer2]

OK Grumpy, I misspoke. Not BS, just a lot of talk that's real simple to fix, use better oil.

[Black02Silverado]

22 hours ago, customboss said:

Hope that fixed it Nick. 

It still wanted a subscription.  I guess time to sign up.

Edited August 2 by Black02Silverado

[txab]

1 hour ago, Black02Silverado said:

It still wanted a subscription.  I guess time to sign up.

Looks to be pretty pricey

[Black02Silverado]

35 minutes ago, txab said:

Looks to be pretty pricey

Yeah, just saw that.  Might have to pass for now.

[customboss]

1 hour ago, txab said:

Looks to be pretty pricey

Glad I retired from this stuff. 

[Grumpy Bear]

9 hours ago, diyer2 said:

OK Grumpy, I misspoke. Not BS, just a lot of talk that's real simple to fix, use better oil.

 

And chemistry/use/environment/fuel appropriate OCI's.  

[PunchT37]

Looking through youtube today. Amazing how many vids one can find about oil consumption. Foreign and domestic.

 

 

Hmmm. Wonder why?

[VicFirth]

 

 

 

Castrol® Unveils New Branding and Best-in-Class Product Claims Across Its Full Synthetic Range | Business Wire

 

Castrol EDGE Extended Performance Offers Consumers the Best Performance and Protection of any Commercially Available Oil

 

 

• Highest level of high-temperature performance – 50x better than the industry standard*
• Highest level of wear protection – 6X better than the industry standard**
• 3x stronger against viscosity breakdown than the leading full-synthetic***

As measured in the Sequence IIIH engine test vs. API SP test limit
**As measured in the Sequence IVA test vs. latest API test limit
***As measured in Kurt Orbahn test on 5W-30 grade

[customboss]

12 minutes ago, VicFirth said:

 

 

 

Castrol® Unveils New Branding and Best-in-Class Product Claims Across Its Full Synthetic Range | Business Wire

 

Castrol EDGE Extended Performance Offers Consumers the Best Performance and Protection of any Commercially Available Oil

 

 

• Highest level of high-temperature performance – 50x better than the industry standard*
• Highest level of wear protection – 6X better than the industry standard**
• 3x stronger against viscosity breakdown than the leading full-synthetic***

As measured in the Sequence IIIH engine test vs. API SP test limit
**As measured in the Sequence IVA test vs. latest API test limit
***As measured in Kurt Orbahn test on 5W-30 grade

Amsoil 5w-30 even in their OEM product already does that most likely . Amsoil Signature Series ASL 5w-30 probably

most stable of any popular off shelf   formula currently offered. 
 

Their claims are against leading brands and API SP specs. 

[VicFirth]

4 hours ago, customboss said:

Amsoil 5w-30 even in their OEM product already does that most likely . Amsoil Signature Series ASL 5w-30 probably

most stable of any popular off shelf   formula currently offered. 
 

Their claims are against leading brands and API SP specs. 

I am running Amsoil Signature Series 5w30 now.  I think it's one of the best on the market.  

 

 

G-2880_SignatureSeriesOil.pdf (amsoilcontent.com)

 

Edited August 3 by VicFirth

[Grumpy Bear]

4 hours ago, VicFirth said:

 

Castrol® Unveils New Branding and Best-in-Class Product Claims Across Its Full Synthetic Range | Business Wire

 

Castrol EDGE Extended Performance Offers Consumers the Best Performance and Protection of any Commercially Available Oil

 

 

• Highest level of high-temperature performance – 50x better than the industry standard*
• Highest level of wear protection – 6X better than the industry standard**
• 3x stronger against viscosity breakdown than the leading full-synthetic***

As measured in the Sequence IIIH engine test vs. API SP test limit
**As measured in the Sequence IVA test vs. latest API test limit
***As measured in Kurt Orbahn test on 5W-30 grade

 

Too bad a motor can't read and be impressed with marketing claims. 

 

sequence-iiih-test.pdf (swri.org) 

 

Lab tests. Fleet test. Blah, blah blah. 

 

Pull a motor down in your fleet when you scrap it and tell me what you SEE. How many ever miles that may be. 

 

What I saw and keep seeing, keeps me using what I use and find better than what I see isn't even possible. Seeing what others used and the results they got keeps me from using that as well.

 

Let's test against oils they exclude as NOT commercially available. Those you don't see on the shelf and have to order. CONTEXT matters. Remove the winners and you can look pretty darn good.