5w30 oil

[KARNUT]

13 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Oh Stan. You silly silly boy. Currently there are five on the property and what you don't know about them would fill volumes. Let me ask you a serious question. At what age did you become wise and all knowing? When did you make your last mistake? As a child I expect. Mine? As I write this I get that gut feeling its a mistake. 

 

Let's start simple. I don't look at 'Forever" as a destination. It's a journey and one I've been on for my entire lifetime. I have sacrificed many vehicles to the god of my own ignorance and sometimes even stupidity. But even as dumb as I can be, I'll bet Joe Average had more cars before he was 30 than I've had in a seven decade lifetime. Half or better of those were 'want' buys and not "need" buys. A few were toys like any young man has. 

 

That journey has been both satisfying and successful. It 'seems kind'a odd' to you indeed. I understand.

 

In my 70 years I have had exactly two abject failures. Both times I took the advice of someone that seemed like they knew something they did not fully understand themselves nor did I. Dizzy and the wife's Paseo. Yes, imagine that. I can be fooled. Lord it is hard to be human. I understand, you've never made one, a mistake, so again, hard to grasp. And yet both of them reach or will shortly 300K miles and will go to their graves in very good shape. Both I would have and HAVE driven across country without fear or concern. 

 

I will continue to make mistakes and I will continue to learn from them and share that experience with anyone else and more than willing to learn from theirs. Perhaps we will both benefit, eh? I will on occasion be fooled and be shamed. I will learn from that as well. It's JOURNEY Stan. 

 

 

Now I understand. How can a person that makes so many mistakes give so much advice? Well Stan, it may be true that I've stepped in every bear trap in the woods. You think that I might be a useful guide so others don't loose a leg? 

 

Read your post Stan. You've set limits on your Journey. 150K miles. Easy to bore. Affluent and don't need to care. I'm happy for you. 

 

Know this. I've lived in your 150 mile world but you haven't lived in my 'forever' world. I just might know something useful. Then again...maybe not. If you're good there. Stay there. But let me ask this. Because you find satisfaction within your limits does that mean those that are not are broken and need to be brought back to reality? Your reality? If so, surely you can find a better set of tools than ridicule and distain to retrieve them from their error. 

 

 

Your answer was as expected. My world is amazing. Your book is half open. My experience is fully open and as I always stated works for me. My experience with my family and business are vast and include all vehicles and equipment. It’s in the hundreds. I’ve had vehicles within my business go 1/2 million miles with several different drivers. Cars and trucks get handed through the family that go many miles and years. Some given to employees as bonuses that weren’t needed with the business. I asked a simple question to back up your current forever vehicles While you try to put me in a box. My world and experience are vast. I read here to widen my world. Not to cast doubt on someone else’s. I asked a simple question. I love vehicles, I’ve had many. Some I made money on. Most were write offs. A perfect world for me. I still retired early, living a charmed life. Causing no harm. I’m always looking for the next great find. Exciting, makes life fun. So I’ll ask again. What’s your latest forever vehicle. OH wise teacher of longevity?

[diyer2]

How about you two kiss and make up.

[KARNUT]

30 minutes ago, diyer2 said:

How about you two kiss and make up.

I just asked a simple question.

[revitout]

Hi There , can someone please recommend the BEST oil to put in my 2021 6.2 with 66000kms on the clock (out of warranty). Climate is mild (New Zealand) and i do a reasonable amount of towing. Are we saying go away from the recommended 0w-20 and use 0w-40 or 5w-30??

My LS1 5.7 Holden (2000) just clocked over 420000km on 10w-40 changed every 10000kms engine never been opened....i want the truck engine to be the same!

[diyer2]

Amsoil OE would be my choice.

[Grumpy Bear]

3 hours ago, revitout said:

Hi There , can someone please recommend the BEST oil to put in my 2021 6.2 with 66000kms on the clock (out of warranty). Climate is mild (New Zealand) and i do a reasonable amount of towing. Are we saying go away from the recommended 0w-20 and use 0w-40 or 5w-30??

My LS1 5.7 Holden (2000) just clocked over 420000km on 10w-40 changed every 10000kms engine never been opened....i want the truck engine to be the same!

 

I've always had success with the Red Line HP line. I don't use *W20 anything anymore. 5W30, 10W30 work well in my 2015. 185K miles, almost 300,000 km with little to no use. 5W40 would not be out of line towing. This line checks all my boxes. Viscosity and viscosity retention, polarity/solvency, HTHS values. 

 

1. RPM Imports

Master Distributor for New Zealand
[email protected]
Wellington,
(04) 5679512

 

Given where you live Penrite perhaps has some similar offerings?? 

 

 

[revitout]

Awsome...thanks mate!. I have since found out from service records it has run on AC delco dexos1 5w-30 from new...maybe that's a good thing..its as quite as a mouse!

[Grumpy Bear]

17 hours ago, revitout said:

Awsome...thanks mate!. I have since found out from service records it has run on AC delco dexos1 5w-30 from new...maybe that's a good thing..its as quite as a mouse!

 

You are welcome. 

 

When viscosity is the OEM's tool of choice to enhance fuel economy, fuel economy and wear resistance become opposing goals. To make in incremental gain in one, they give something of the other.

 

Dexos1Gen2 and Gen3 sit on the minimum of the SAE30 viscosity range. Dexos2 5W30 more closely follows the the Euro standard ACEA C3 standard moving it more central and putting a floor on acceptable losses.

 

Dexos1Gen2 and Gen3 5W30 oils and their ILSAC counterparts GF5 and GF6A more closely emulate a heavy SAE 20. Ergo your trucks service records, while a move up in protection over the North American 20W maximum standard, are still at the lower end of the safety net for wear.

 

Yes, they play games. Like calling the temporary shear down loss FLAW in OCP based viscosity modifiers a "Feature".  Dexos1 licensed 20W oils at temperature and under shear act like 16 or even 12 weight oils. 30 weights act like 20 weights.

 

30W oils that conform to higher standards than Dexos1, such as Dexos2, ACEA C3, VW/Audi 504/507 and Porsche C30 act like 30 weights and a few, like Red Line HP and HP Euro, Torco, AMSOIL Euro, Ravenol and some Penrite oils that use shear stable Star polymers and begin at a higher HTHS than the minimum will have the film strength (viscosity) of a 40 weight at the highest temperatures and worst shear while bulk oil temperature viscosity remain in the 30 grade range. If SAE *W30 is your choice, IMHO, use an oil that meets or exceeds the standards in bold in this paragraph.  

 

That was not an all inclusive listing of top shelf oils but if you buy it in a box store your buying from the bottom shelf. 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:24 AM by Grumpy Bear

[OnTheReel]

[KARNUT]

28 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

I had a 98 Ford 150. Bought it new. I was doing lots of traveling training new buyers of our equipment. At 5K miles I pulled the dipstick. 2QTs low. Dealer said normal. I expected that because at the same time my Z-28 did the same thing. The only vehicles  I had that did that I had at the same time. Both I drove about 130k miles, actually the wife and son drove the Z-28. Normally I didn’t check. The Z-28 when I switched over to Amsoil I pulled the stick in was low. Check when getting gas about every 2K miles. I’d be pretty embarrassed if I ran one dry. 

[revitout]

7 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

You are welcome. 

 

When viscosity is the OEM's tool of choice to enhance fuel economy, fuel economy and wear resistance become opposing goals. To make in incremental gain in one, they give something of the other.

 

Dexos1Gen2 and Gen3 sit on the minimum of the SAE30 viscosity range. Dexos2 5W30 more closely follows the the Euro standard ACEA C3 standard moving it more central and putting a floor on acceptable losses.

 

Dexos1Gen2 and Gen3 5W30 oils and their ILSAC counterparts GF5 and GF6A more closely emulate a heavy SAE 20. Ergo your trucks service records, while a move up in protection over the North American 20W maximum standard, are still at the lower end of the safety net for wear.

 

Yes, they play games. Like calling the temporary shear down loss FLAW in OCP based viscosity modifiers a "Feature".  Dexos1 licensed 20W oils at temperature and under shear act like 16 or even 12 weight oils. 30 weights act like 20 weights.

 

30W oils that conform to higher standards than Dexos1, such as Dexos2, ACEA C3, VW/Audi 504/507 and Porsche C30 act like 30 weights and a few, like Red Line HP and HP Euro, Torco, AMSOIL SS and Euro, Ravenol and some Penrite oils that use shear stable Star polymers and begin at a higher HTHS than the minimum will have the film strength (viscosity) of a 40 weight at the highest temperatures and worst shear while bulk oil temperature viscosity remain in the 30 grade range. If SAE *W30 is your choice, IMHO, use an oil that meets or exceeds the standards in bold in this paragraph.  

 

That was not an all inclusive listing of top shelf oils but if you buy it in a box store your buying from the bottom shelf. 

 

 

 

Thanks..., The red line 5w-30 is out of stock ATM (5W-40 available though). This one looks to have the specifications too ...Penrite ENVIRO+ 5W-30. there are a lot of choices but I'm hearing ya on those standards and I'll be committing that to memory. Thanks again...and have a great Thanksgiving.

[DK91105]

Amsoil signature series 5w30. Can't go wrong with that and their filter. 

[Grumpy Bear]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:56 PM, DK91105 said:

Amsoil signature series 5w30. Can't go wrong with that and their filter. 

 

I know you didn't toss this out there for my comment BUT as I didn't list it some explanation might be in order. 

 

Certainly a step up over 0W20 anything. However it is an "Energy Conserving" oil conforming to the Dexos1Gen3 standard but does not meet the Dexos2/ACEA C3 standard for HTHS viscosity. Which would be yet another step up. The AMSOIL Euro 5W30 however does meet the higher viscosity standard and why I included one over the other in my brief list. As noted earlier the viscosity wear relationship is a trade. 

 

But absolutely, if one traded their Dexos1Gen2 or 3 ILSAC GF5-6A SAE SP "Energy Conserving 0W20 Group III and Group III blends in for ANY 5W30. even of the same classification, that would be a move in the right direction wear wise. AMSOIL SS would be in the lead group of that pack.