if i where to re gear from (3.42) to (3.73) would that give me the maximum towing and if so would it also work with a 6inch bds and 35s

[swathdiver]

12 minutes ago, LDM said:

Once again, look them up yourself.  I have a feeling you've been told this more than one before by other people than me.  I'm not here to do your own research, anyone in IL that tows knows this information because they did exactly that.  Or should have so they don't end up getting in trouble with the police and DMV.  You can read through the IL Combined Statues and the DMV website to look up all this information yourself.  Or call a DMV here and get someone to tell you it (good luck with that one though).  Everything you need is right here:  https://www.ilsos.gov/

I tried looking until my eyes hurt, over 2 hours more now.  Ain't seen nothing about a truck's GVWR or GCWR being law in the state of Illinois.  I downloaded and read through 1/2 a dozen pamphlets and they are only concerned about trailer weights and axle spread and the like and their road classifications.

 

Went to that link your provided and looked and looked and looked some more.  Found a brochure about Rules of the Road Non CDL Vehicles and it said you are overweight if you exceed the weight on your registration.  What determines that I failed to find out.  

 

So having said that, unless you can use your brilliance to point me to your laws, I call BS on your claims even though your state is seriously screwy with regards to its laws.

 

Your claims are not true with regards to Federal Law and the laws of the several states I did look up previously.

[LDM]

13 hours ago, swathdiver said:

I tried looking until my eyes hurt, over 2 hours more now.  Ain't seen nothing about a truck's GVWR or GCWR being law in the state of Illinois.  I downloaded and read through 1/2 a dozen pamphlets and they are only concerned about trailer weights and axle spread and the like and their road classifications.

 

Went to that link your provided and looked and looked and looked some more.  Found a brochure about Rules of the Road Non CDL Vehicles and it said you are overweight if you exceed the weight on your registration.  What determines that I failed to find out.  

 

So having said that, unless you can use your brilliance to point me to your laws, I call BS on your claims even though your state is seriously screwy with regards to its laws.

 

Your claims are not true with regards to Federal Law and the laws of the several states I did look up previously.

Great, you are terrible at looking things up then.  I get it.  If you want, feel free to drive a truck with those things over the limit here and find out what happens when you get pulled over by the police.  Or a truck that you've modded and tell that to the police here that "its okay, I did these mods, so it can tow more than the sticker."  I'm not spending 20-30 minutes of my time posting every single IL Combined Statues and classification regulations to satisfy you.  You aren't that important.  Still wrong but not important.

[M1ck3y]

Here's what motortrend has to say on the matter..

 

https://www.motortrend.com/features/1703-tow-ratings-and-the-law-discussing-limits-of-trailer-size/

[KARNUT]

1 hour ago, M1ck3y said:

Here's what motortrend has to say on the matter..

 

https://www.motortrend.com/features/1703-tow-ratings-and-the-law-discussing-limits-of-trailer-size/

In the 40 years I was involved with or with hauling myself. And all the DOT safety checks. Not to mention the demos in the mid 90s I did for all the DOTs in the state of Florida. With my tractor being hauled on a 7K trailer, the tractor itself weighing 14K. Being pulled at the time with a 91 dodge 3/4 ton with a Cummins diesel. Without a word one being said about the safety of the rig. The rig itself being registered, insured for 25K and passing the required DOT inspection. Never having a problem. If your state being outside the requirements of the national DOT I’m glad I never did any business there. Of course the confusion could be the difference between trained DOT commercial drivers and camper haulers. Then it’s down to wether you can pull a heavy camper or an owner operator can legally move their equipment in an efficient manner. To afford being in business or afford to own a camper. What I see being hauled in my neck of the woods on the southern interstates tells me. Hauling heavy must be legal as l believe. Or Dot and state police are ill inform. As well as weigh stations. I see lots of one ton hot shot haulers pulling through there, uninterrupted.

[M1ck3y]

2 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

In the 40 years I was involved with or with hauling myself. And all the DOT safety checks. Not to mention the demos in the mid 90s I did for all the DOTs in the state of Florida. With my tractor being hauled on a 7K trailer, the tractor itself weighing 14K. Being pulled at the time with a 91 dodge 3/4 ton with a Cummins diesel. Without a word one being said about the safety of the rig. The rig itself being registered, insured for 25K and passing the required DOT inspection. Never having a problem. If your state being outside the requirements of the national DOT I’m glad I never did any business there. Of course the confusion could be the difference between trained DOT commercial drivers and camper haulers. Then it’s down to wether you can pull a heavy camper or an owner operator can legally move their equipment in an efficient manner. To afford being in business or afford to own a camper. What I see being hauled in my neck of the woods on the southern interstates tells me. Hauling heavy must be legal as l believe. Or Dot and state police are ill inform. As well as weigh stations. I see lots of one ton hot shot haulers pulling through there, uninterrupted.

 

I'm not sure who your arguing with  because it's not me. I was merely sharing information from a recognized source.

[KARNUT]

26 minutes ago, M1ck3y said:

 

I'm not sure who your arguing with  because it's not me. I was merely sharing information from a recognized source.

Same here, the difference is I live it. I was actually a DOT inspector. As anybody who got DOT license when they first required it was.

Edited April 9, 2023 by KARNUT

[M1ck3y]

17 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Same here, the difference is I live it. I was actually a DOT inspector. As anybody who got DOT license when they first required it was.

 

That's great.

 

Personally I have to side with the... um side, that consulted lawyers though.

[KARNUT]

1 minute ago, M1ck3y said:

 

That's great.

 

Personally I have to side with the... um side, that consulted lawyers though.

Well um I did. I wasn’t going to jeopardize my very successful family business trying to be cute when I could have simply bought a bigger truck. No listen ok you listening? I was legal. The dozens of customers who visit my shop doing the same are too. I even put up a picture of such a customer. 

[M1ck3y]

6 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Well um I did. I wasn’t going to jeopardize my very successful family business trying to be cute when I could have simply bought a bigger truck. No listen ok you listening? I was legal. The dozens of customers who visit my shop doing the same are too. I even put up a picture of such a customer. 

 

I'm sorry, we must be on different pages...

 

I'm talking about how motortrend consulted with lawyers and determined that, "federally", towing over capacity is illegal. Or rather... only if you're caught and end up in court.

 

I'll trust mototrend before some random person on a forum.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by M1ck3y

[KARNUT]

1 minute ago, M1ck3y said:

 

I'm sorry, we must be on different pages...

 

I'm talking about how motortrend consulted with lawyers and determined that, "federally", towing over capacity is illegal. Or rather... only if you're caught and end up in court.

 

 

Registered capacity. Actually the capacity of the trailer especially. There’s very little chance a tow rig of any kind can stop a load in a timely manner without the trailer stopping its load. There’s little difference between one tons now than 10-20 years ago except HP and TQ. Max tow is gearing and cooling. Brakes are the same. I’ve been using trucks hauling the same weight since the 70s legally. HP and TQ is the main difference. 

[swathdiver]

On 4/9/2023 at 12:56 PM, LDM said:

Great, you are terrible at looking things up then.  I get it.  If you want, feel free to drive a truck with those things over the limit here and find out what happens when you get pulled over by the police.  Or a truck that you've modded and tell that to the police here that "its okay, I did these mods, so it can tow more than the sticker."  I'm not spending 20-30 minutes of my time posting every single IL Combined Statues and classification regulations to satisfy you.  You aren't that important.  Still wrong but not important.

 

Nah, you're just full of it.  California, Washington, Florida and others mirror Federal Law.  Motor Trend and their attorney's don't know the laws either and gave a typical ignoramous answer.

 

A beat cop from Chicago isn't going to have a clue about your tow ratings man.  Get real.

 

I did this thirty plus years ago and was never penalized all up and down the eastern seaboard because of my weight.  You should see the stuff my children haul with their pickups for the horses and they drive right by the DOT and State Troopers on a daily basis and have never been pulled over either.  

 

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.  Take Dirty Harry's advice.

Edited April 11, 2023 by swathdiver
accuracy

[LDM]

7 hours ago, swathdiver said:

 

Nah, you're just full of it.  California, Washington, Florida and others mirror Federal Law.  Motor Trend and their attorney's don't know the laws either and gave a typical ignoramous answer.

 

A beat cop from Chicago isn't going to have a clue about your tow ratings man.  Get real.

 

I did this thirty plus years ago and was never pulled over all up and down the eastern seaboard because of my weight.  You should see the stuff my children haul with their pickups for the horses and they drive right by the DOT and State Troopers on a daily basis and have never been pulled over either.  

 

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.  Take Dirty Harry's advice.

Take your own advice, you can still prove me wrong by trying to tow over weight here and find out what happens.  The IL State Troopers here will absolutely pull you over for being overweight.  But we all know that isn't going to happen.

[LDM]

20 hours ago, M1ck3y said:

 

I'm sorry, we must be on different pages...

 

I'm talking about how motortrend consulted with lawyers and determined that, "federally", towing over capacity is illegal. Or rather... only if you're caught and end up in court.

 

I'll trust mototrend before some random person on a forum.

 

 

Interesting article, pretty much exactly what you would expect.  I know I don't feel like dealing with the fines and problems of towing overweight, especially here in IL.  Why I stay under the 10K tow limit on my trailer and stay under 16K limit on my class D license.  I don't want to deal with the costs and headaches of a CDL Class A here.

 

Oh, and I talked to my insurance guy this morning about something not related to towing, but when I was done I asked him what would happen if I was towing over sticker limit on either my truck or trailer, he told me that my insurance wouldn't cover any costs and I'd be liable for any damages and injuries.  I asked him if that applied here or in all states.  He said all states, State Farm doesn't change that policy due to the state.

 

Guess as long as you don't get caught, you can tow whatever you want.  Personally, I'm not going to risk it here in IL.

[KARNUT]

2 minutes ago, LDM said:

Interesting article, pretty much exactly what you would expect.  I know I don't feel like dealing with the fines and problems of towing overweight, especially here in IL.  Why I stay under the 10K tow limit on my trailer and stay under 16K limit on my class D license.  I don't want to deal with the costs and headaches of a CDL Class A here.

 

Oh, and I talked to my insurance guy this morning about something not related to towing, but when I was done I asked him what would happen if I was towing over sticker limit on either my truck or trailer, he told me that my insurance wouldn't cover any costs and I'd be liable for any damages and injuries.  I asked him if that applied here or in all states.  He said all states, State Farm doesn't change that policy due to the state.

 

Guess as long as you don't get caught, you can tow whatever you want.  Personally, I'm not going to risk it here in IL.

It’s amusing to me when people don’t pay attention. It has to do with the registration. You have to pass DOT. You have to be honest with your insurance company. You have to have the proper license. It’s a combination registration. I wouldn’t pull a trailer that couldn’t stop its registrations weight or it’s own weight. The fact you don’t want to deal with CDL is the answer. It’s not the weight it’s the license.

[swathdiver]

1 hour ago, LDM said:

Interesting article, pretty much exactly what you would expect.  I know I don't feel like dealing with the fines and problems of towing overweight, especially here in IL.  Why I stay under the 10K tow limit on my trailer and stay under 16K limit on my class D license.  I don't want to deal with the costs and headaches of a CDL Class A here.

 

Oh, and I talked to my insurance guy this morning about something not related to towing, but when I was done I asked him what would happen if I was towing over sticker limit on either my truck or trailer, he told me that my insurance wouldn't cover any costs and I'd be liable for any damages and injuries.  I asked him if that applied here or in all states.  He said all states, State Farm doesn't change that policy due to the state.

 

Guess as long as you don't get caught, you can tow whatever you want.  Personally, I'm not going to risk it here in IL.

Insurance isn't law and like Stan says, nobody is talking about skirting the law.  

 

Haven't been to Illinois since the early 1990s.  I have fond memories of Glenview Naval Air Station.