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Jettech1 · January 1, 2023

OK OK, I have diesel envy...I love my gasser and everything about it....But I still have diesel envy...I hope that doesn't make me a bad guy......or a traitor from the gasser club....But who wouldn't want over 900lb/ft of torque...Yes please...lol...We have a 2500 gasser and love it. But I told my wife, if we ever step up to the 3500 (of which we don't need), it will have a diesel engine in it. That damn 10K premium sucks the life out of me...GM should absolutely lower that initial charge for a diesel...C'mon man....lol

Edited January 1, 2023 by Jettech1

ArrowsmithPML · January 2, 2023

Perhaps the $10k is high but in general operating costs are lower (maintenance can be costly) and even if fuel is more than regular you still get longer range, better efficiency and all kinds of other things I'm sure you've heard.

2500W/T · January 2, 2023

I went with the Work Truck trim. The difference, I think, it was 1K when I bought my 2500.

Here is a thing, the Single Axle 2500 and 3500 is the same truck on W/T trim, except for 1 detail, that is the Rear Leaf Springs.

This only applies to the Single Axle.

So what is the deal with the W/T? I think is well equiped for the lowest trim, has the same performance as any other trim, and opens the possibilities to customize to a nice Off Road truck. Even the floor carpet is an easy to clean vinyl, better than the rug. The best of it is the substancial much lower price. I got mine 2020 model out of the dealer, with 20 miles on the odo, for 46K back in 2020.

asilverblazer · January 3, 2023

On 1/1/2023 at 9:32 PM, ArrowsmithPML said:

Perhaps the $10k is high but in general operating costs are lower (maintenance can be costly) and even if fuel is more than regular you still get longer range, better efficiency and all kinds of other things I'm sure you've heard.

I don't think one would ever recoup that $10k in fuel savings, range, efficiency or maintenance.

All the emissions... $$$ when it starts failing.

My better judgment was to get the gasser, because GM's gas engines are (aside from the latest lifter issues) bullet proof. 200-250k miles of trouble free service is the normal. I'll be surprised if I get that out of the diesel, not the engine itself - all the emissions stuff, DEF heaters and injectors, particulate sensors and filters.

BUT - I knew if I didn't get the diesel, I'd regret it and wish I did. 900 lb ft...

Jettech1 · January 4, 2023

13 hours ago, asilverblazer said:

I don't think one would ever recoup that $10k in fuel savings, range, efficiency or maintenance.

All the emissions... $$$ when it starts failing.

My better judgment was to get the gasser, because GM's gas engines are (aside from the latest lifter issues) bullet proof. 200-250k miles of trouble free service is the normal. I'll be surprised if I get that out of the diesel, not the engine itself - all the emissions stuff, DEF heaters and injectors, particulate sensors and filters.

BUT - I knew if I didn't get the diesel, I'd regret it and wish I did. 900 lb ft...

TFL did a mpg test between the gasser and diesel. Their results were right inline of that I was thinking but it was nice to have them verify it. It would take 120k miles of towing all the time in both the gasser and diesel for the diesel to break even with the gasser. If you are not towing full time with the diesel, the numbers go way over 300k miles. Those figures alone made the gasser steal my heart, along with the huge premium for the diesel optioned trucks. BUT!!!!! And yes I'm going to say it...who wouldn't love to have over 900lb ft of torque controlled with their right foot....??? I absolutely would, but just couldn't swallow the upfront, along with high continued cost of owning the diesel. The emissions and high cost of diesel these days kill them, or should I say make them less desirable to own long term. Either way, I love the diesels regardless. I probably won't ever own one, but certainly admire all that do.

KARNUT · January 4, 2023

I had diesel’s during their heyday even a couple half tons. Couldn’t beat them for pulling and the ability to modify, fun times. There’s even a 2000 ford 7.3 and a 97 5.9 dodge in the family still going strong. They were and are bulletproof. Now with the addition of emissions not so much. The people I know who still drive them say they act up around 100K and are costly. They usually delete. With the HP and TQ of gas. Unless you make your living pulling with a diesel I wouldn’t advise owning one.

asilverblazer · January 4, 2023

Also have to add that when towing the travel trailer, mpg in my 1/2 ton 5.3 vs. the 1 ton diesel is EXACTLY the same.

9 mpg

Unloaded its comparable at 18-19.

Jettech1 · January 4, 2023

5 minutes ago, asilverblazer said:

Also have to add that when towing the travel trailer, mpg in my 1/2 ton 5.3 vs. the 1 ton diesel is EXACTLY the same.

9 mpg

Unloaded its comparable at 18-19.

Yeah I know. I'm right there with my 2500 gasser as well. As a matter of fact, I get better mpg's with my 2500 gasser then our friends do with their 1/2 ton 5.3L towing the exact same camper. And my truck weighs 2k lbs more then their truck does with the larger engine. Doesn't add up.....

XY74 · January 4, 2023

My 2020 is the first diesel I ever owned. It's fantastic to drive and tow with. There is no question you pay for that performance, especially lately at the pump. (4.59 vs 2.99 locally) But I sure enjoy the performance. Makes me smile in a different, but similar way that a C6 Corvette will make you smile. No regrets at all. (as long as it keeps running right!! lol)

Jettech1 · January 4, 2023

6 minutes ago, XY74 said:

My 2020 is the first diesel I ever owned. It's fantastic to drive and tow with. There is no question you pay for that performance, especially lately at the pump. (4.59 vs 2.99 locally) But I sure enjoy the performance. Makes me smile in a different, but similar way that a C6 Corvette will make you smile. No regrets at all. (as long as it keeps running right!! lol)

Great analogy with the C6. Diesel is the same around here, 4.59, regular unleaded is right at 2.59 which widens the gap a bit. I still love the diesel and see why you have no regrets at all.

XY74 · January 4, 2023

On 1/1/2023 at 11:00 PM, 2500W/T said:

I went with the Work Truck trim. The difference, I think, it was 1K when I bought my 2500.

Here is a thing, the Single Axle 2500 and 3500 is the same truck on W/T trim, except for 1 detail, that is the Rear Leaf Springs.

This only applies to the Single Axle.

So what is the deal with the W/T? I think is well equiped for the lowest trim, has the same performance as any other trim, and opens the possibilities to customize to a nice Off Road truck. Even the floor carpet is an easy to clean vinyl, better than the rug. The best of it is the substancial much lower price. I got mine 2020 model out of the dealer, with 20 miles on the odo, for 46K back in 2020.

I'm old enough to remember that today's basic truck is far far nicer than the top level trim was back in the day. You get all of the truck and fewer of the modern doodads. My 2004 is a base trim, still going strong with 285K. That said, my new one is a High Country with everything GM could come up with the put on a truck aside from a hole in the roof. Enjoy them both!

2500W/T · January 4, 2023

1 minute ago, XY74 said:

I'm old enough to remember that today's basic truck is far far nicer than the top level trim was back in the day. You get all of the truck and fewer of the modern doodads. My 2004 is a base trim, still going strong with 285K. That said, my new one is a High Country with everything GM could come up with the put on a truck aside from a hole in the roof. Enjoy them both!

I was surprised the W/T came with touchscreen w/8 speakers, can pair 2 cell phones with blutooth, can mirror Android Auto and play Media Files from the phone. Also has cruise control, power locks and windows, trip computer, rear vents for AC.

The only thing that I would love to have is more adjustments on the seats. They are very basic and in long trips can get tiresome.

Also came with a Key Fob but not remote starter, just remote tailgate unlock/open.

Oh well, I am very happy for what I paid for on a Long Bed, 2500, Duramax, Crew Cab. Added some Timbren Rubber Springs for that added oomph, when I tow my 5th wheel.

4x4Hank · March 29, 2023

OK, I know that this thread is a couple of months old but I found the gas VS diesel discussion interesting. Here's why. Last year, we bought a 30' travel trailer (bumper pull). At the time I had a 2020 Ram 1500 Longhorn with a 5.7 Hemi (I traded in my 2014 Silverado for the Ram) . The truck capacity was maxed out with the 8K GVWR on the RV and the first tow to the last tow was an unpleasant white knuckle experience. I knew the first 20 miles that I was going to be getting a new truck. Besides the 1500 not being enough truck suspension-wise to comfortably tow, I was amazed at the RPM's that I had to keep the truck at while towing. Granted, it was a 5.7 Hemi and not the 6.4 but revving between 3K and 4K was uncomfortable even though Ram people say the engines love it. Last June I found a used 2022 GMC 2500 SLT Crew Cab Duramax with 8K miles on the GMC lot by my house (there were no new 2500's to be had last year) and pulled the pin. Towing with the diesel was like night and day. I understand that a 3/4 ton truck is a lot more truck than a half ton but the difference between the gas and the diesel was incredible. I've owned over 50 vehicles in my driving lifetime and never owned a diesel until this past year. Instead of revving 3000-4000 RPM's I feel like I'm idling at 1400, 1500, 1600 RPM's while going down the highway. The 10 speed Allison helps but so does the incredible torque.

So, that said, the fellows on here that like towing with the gassers, are the towing RPM's much higher than the diesel lovers?

Hank

PS, I love this truck!

KARNUT · March 29, 2023

1 hour ago, 4x4Hank said:

OK, I know that this thread is a couple of months old but I found the gas VS diesel discussion interesting. Here's why. Last year, we bought a 30' travel trailer (bumper pull). At the time I had a 2020 Ram 1500 Longhorn with a 5.7 Hemi (I traded in my 2014 Silverado for the Ram) . The truck capacity was maxed out with the 8K GVWR on the RV and the first tow to the last tow was an unpleasant white knuckle experience. I knew the first 20 miles that I was going to be getting a new truck. Besides the 1500 not being enough truck suspension-wise to comfortably tow, I was amazed at the RPM's that I had to keep the truck at while towing. Granted, it was a 5.7 Hemi and not the 6.4 but revving between 3K and 4K was uncomfortable even though Ram people say the engines love it. Last June I found a used 2022 GMC 2500 SLT Crew Cab Duramax with 8K miles on the GMC lot by my house (there were no new 2500's to be had last year) and pulled the pin. Towing with the diesel was like night and day. I understand that a 3/4 ton truck is a lot more truck than a half ton but the difference between the gas and the diesel was incredible. I've owned over 50 vehicles in my driving lifetime and never owned a diesel until this past year. Instead of revving 3000-4000 RPM's I feel like I'm idling at 1400, 1500, 1600 RPM's while going down the highway. The 10 speed Allison helps but so does the incredible torque.

So, that said, the fellows on here that like towing with the gassers, are the towing RPM's much higher than the diesel lovers?

Hank

PS, I love this truck!

I never pulled any kind of weight with anything less than a 3/4 ton. And only with a gooseneck. Before you could get a diesel p/u we used modified 390s and 454s. The transmissions were C-6 or turbo 400s 3 speeds. The rear end gears were 410s. At 60 mph they ran 3K RPMs all day long. The sound through headers was wonderful. Then came the first decent diesels 7.3s and 5.9s they got modified. That was better. The choice between gas and diesel today would depend on how much I pulled. The truck would be at least a 3/4 ton. The 3/4 ton and up gas engine’s today are bulletproof.

CRApex · March 29, 2023

I have had Duramax trucks going back to 2002. I'm on my 2nd 2020 Duramax that is now pushing 90k. The Duramax is awesome. I get it, if you don't tow much it is overkill especially given the added cost. The reality is they drive great loaded or just daily driving, better than the gas in both scenarios IMO. They tow sooo nice, low RPM's, no revving and incredible power and now the 24 is even more capable...

Our work trucks are 6.6 gas trucks. I used one of them for a couple weeks while my DMax was having a def heater recall done. The gas truck got the job done but revved alot and after towing with it for the weekend (35' gooseneck trailer) it simply wears you out more on a long drive drive.

All of this said, I ordered my first gas truck in a long time due to the 10spd Allison. I'm hopeful the 10spd will reduce the huge downshifts and revs needed to keep the larger trailers moving. My new truck is currently "in-transit" and I'll admit I'm still not sure I made the right choice. It is saving me $9390.00 though. Time will tell, really looking forward to the real world difference and hoping it works out. Worst case I go back to diesel.

Edited March 29, 2023 by CRApex