OCI, not when but why?

Grumpy Bear · April 27

4 hours ago, customboss said:

You were talking about CCS and MRV it can crank but it won't pump then we agree.

Now was that so hard?

My motor doesn't live is lab. It lives outside. A motor that will spin AND START with an oil that will not pump is not good.

Solid like an ice cube? No. But solid like clay. Who's being difficult? Malleable and still not pumpable nor measurable by the Rotary Viscometer ASTM 2983. (Brookfield). Are you telling me that a fluid that will not pour has a viscosity that can be measured by the Rotary Viscometer. (I've run thousands of these).

Oil Viscosity - How It's Measured and Reported (machinerylubrication.com)

If you spent less time craping on the chess board and knocking over pieces you might be useful.

customboss · April 27

14 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Are you telling me that a fluid that will not pour has a viscosity that can be measured by the Rotary Viscometer. (I've run thousands of these).

No, for the 20th time I am telling you that near plasticised engine oil can be additized to reduce cranking drag and still be plastic. You really are difficult NEEDLESSLY.....checkers or chess you obfuscate constantly.

No one here including me cares how many times you turned on a MRV electric motor. You never formulated, blended, or tested engine oil. So give it a rest.

VicFirth · April 28

I've often wondered if I should just be using Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 or Pennzoil Euro 5w30. They use a more shear stable VII in the ESP line.

Edited April 28 by VicFirth

Grumpy Bear · April 29

5 hours ago, VicFirth said:

I've often wondered if I should just be using Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 or Pennzoil Euro 5w30. They use a more shear stable VII in the ESP line.

What are you looking for? :dunno:

VicFirth · April 29

I'm currently using Amsoil SS 5w30. Buying an oil that meets the Porsche C30 spec appears to give you a robust oil though and you can find Mobil 1 ESP at any store at a good price. Makes me wonder if this is a better choice than the boutique brands.

Grumpy Bear · April 29

Love that tool. Mobil 1 5W30 ESP is C30 approved. AND has a SP approval as well so checks the boxes for LSPI and SA as a plus.

Ya all see what I mean about Dexos oils interest lies in C.A.F.E. and LSPI and not cleanliness or wear?

Edited April 29 by Grumpy Bear

VicFirth · April 30

I noticed this

Edited April 30 by VicFirth

customboss · April 30

1 minute ago, VicFirth said:

I noticed this

Beware of incremental changes for marketers of additives who sell to blenders who use the lowest common denominator of base oils. Make the base oil chemistry do what additives do and do it better overall for the consumer but heck that's why Valvoline is selling a cleaning oil based on an original cleaning oil that did what I stated above before it was remarketed with synthezied junk.

The only benefit of ACEA is the Euro auto makers are driving the changes not the additive companies. In US oil/chemistry drives the auto makers.

Grumpy Bear · April 30

5 hours ago, VicFirth said:

I noticed this

Standard lawyer speak. Example Here is every Dexos License they list. If they are only compared to themselves the at least one of these would have at least one single value of 10 and it would change with every new spec. So, they are compared to something else. What might that be? Eight out of ten of WHAT? :idiot: ASTM test sequences?

In fact every standard would have a 10. Try it with the API standards. The newest should score a ten on something. It's laughable.

Or you can buy the test results and rank them yourself.

When you are crossing the river there are two types of "help". Those that show you where the stones are and those that trip you with sticks. Marketing is pigeon chess. We have plenty of pigeons.

Question. How would one oil past both API and Porsche and another would not? Why do not all API SP oils also qualify as Dexos oils? Read the standard and test requirement. Now plot SP and Dexos1Gen2 The answer is staring right back at you.

Edited April 30 by Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · April 30

Furthermore!

BatS**T Crazy

A radar chart by nature is 'relative'. The values on this chart are dimensionless. LSPI. Let's have a look. Both use the same test to qualify to the same standard thus on the chart they have the same result. Ditto Oxidative thickening. Does DEXOS have a lower deposit standard? Yes, is does and that is reflected in the chart. It is relative.

Whose deposit standard it lower? DEXOS1Gen3 or Porsche C30?

Does that mean we can directly compare oils with the same classifications? NO! Why not? Because the spec 'sets the bar' and that bar can be exceeded. D'oh :idiot: It's how oils can carry so many specifications. Good of for Volkswagen 51100, API SP, Porsche C30 one oil notes another says only SP. SP is the basement. The industry standard. The BAR if you will. You decide which bar to choose.

Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 and Red Line Euro 5W30 are both C30 capable oils. They are different chemistries. THAT'S the part than requires field trials/test to determine cleared the bar with more reserve. They also both clear the SP standard as does Citgo Supergard 5W30 "synthetic blend" with the SP stamp but does not hold the C30 standard. There is no doubt that it is inferior in most test beyond the SP standard requirement.

Grumpy Bear · May 23

Dumb question. Which is more important. The oils life or the motors life? :dunno: WELL?

Could it be that the advice you receive is colored by the source you receive it from?

What if I'm selling vehicles? What if I'm selling oil? What if I'm selling oil testing services? What if I'm selling a political agenda? What if I'm selling an environmental agenda? What if I'm selling 'likes"? What if I'm trying to get elected? What if I'm trying to remain elected? What if I really need to be needed? What if I'm trying to be popular? What if I don't give a rat's a** about any of that and just want my motor to be happy.... how about that?

Well?

If your goal is ultimately how much you spend on oil, then logic demands the motors health is not your #1 concern.

This will sound stupid but pointed. Did you buy your truck to see low you could get the oil Maintenace dollars, or did you spend on oil to see how little you could spend on engine maintenance?

:wtf: chuck? If I double my oil budget and double my vehicle life, the cost of a truck....do the figgin math :idiot:

KARNUT · May 23

7 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Dumb question. Which is more important. The oils life or the motors life? WELL?

Could it be that the advice you receive is colored by the source you receive it from?

What if I'm selling vehicles? What if I'm selling oil? What if I'm selling oil testing services? What if I'm selling a political agenda? What if I'm selling an environmental agenda? What if I'm selling 'likes"? What if I'm trying to get elected? What if I'm trying to remain elected? What if I really need to be needed? What if I'm trying to be popular? What if I don't give a rat's a** about any of that and just want my motor to be happy.... how about that?

Well?

If your goal is ultimately how much you spend on oil, then logic demands the motors health is not your #1 concern.

This will sound stupid but pointed. Did you buy your truck to see low you could get the oil Maintenace dollars, or did you spend on oil to see how little you could spend on engine maintenance?

chuck? If I double my oil budget and double my vehicle life, the cost of a truck....do the figgin math

It’s simple for me. Money vs reality. I’ve been all over the spectrum with oil changes. From just under 4K miles to 25k. I only had one engine failure not oil related. How long do you want to keep your ride? What do you use it for. It’s more about the engine than the oil. I have 2 vehicles if I drove lots of miles like I used to I’d put Amsoil in and go extended. One that has cylinder deactivation I wouldn’t go over 5K with oil changes. My Acura runs high RPMs cruising probably around 3K. The one that has cylinder deactivation the Odyssey has the longest change intervals according to the manufacturer. My Camry did too. Both with excellent reputation for reliability. So for me it’s the engine more than the oil. And my driving habits. As far as how long do I want to keep a vehicle? Today it’s more about the pain in the butt factor. Not the vehicle as much as finding a good mechanic. I’m lucky I found another good one. My wife says she’s keeping her Genesis for ever. I’m getting more that way about my avalanche. They both stay local. Our trip vehicle the odyssey is subject to change without notice. Probably a Toyota or Honda. I travel a lot. When is the last time you seen one of those on the road side? I bet most of the people who buy those go by their oil minders. It’s the engine not the oil.

Grumpy Bear · May 23

I knew a fella in El Paso whose father was in his late nineties that had smoked since he was 10. A fall off a roof killed him. Fact is, I know allot of long-time smokers who never suffered cancer. My father-in-law died of COPD. Smoked all his life even after cancer. Most male long-time smokers will eventually suffer E.D. Smokers age more rapidly (looks). Just because one doesn't die doesn't mean they didn't suffer a smoking related failure. Although most go on to blame the smoking related ills on something other.

Accelerated wear is an oil related failure that most won't notice because they will trade before it dies. High oil consumption can be an oil related failure. Hardened seals, plugged oil control rings, etc.

Oil issues are monkey issues.

KARNUT · May 23

By the time an automobile reaches its conclusion. Usually it’s discarded because it can’t pass inspection. I know because years ago we had a salvage yard. Cars we bought were either wrecked or it was too expensive to get it through emissions. Those people usually went to the tote your note lot for the next one. In Texas they address that problem by eliminating inspection in the poorest counties. When the manufacturer sets the maintenance schedule most people feel it’s the rule. The manufacturers who have the most reliable vehicles are probably bought by non enthusiasts. There’re appliances. They check probably by spreadsheet the cost of ownership maintenance included. I would bet those vehicles get maintenance minder service. They also have the most repeat buyers. And are the longest lasting. That’s what this monkey sees.

Grumpy Bear · June 12

Some good news!

Hoerr Racing Products in Peoria Illinois will become Red Line Oils Midwest distributor when production resumes from Phillips 66 moving the blending operations from California to Tennesse. About a month away. I'm sharing this but not advertising so you will have to look up their number/address/web site yourself. Call it a public service announcement.