Which oil filter, not so simple!

customboss · April 19

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

IGNORNE

IGNORE..... if you don't want constructive criticism that's up to you not to post misleading BS to the readers here.

Grumpy Bear · April 19

Data is not an opinion.

You disagree with data. You disagree with experts. You disagree with scholars. You're just disagreeable. Sir you have a bad habit of thinking that saying a thing is true, makes it true. Especially if you're the one saying it.

I do not doubt you have knowledge and experience. I doubt your application. You seem to believe that you are only relevant if you know something someone else doesn't. Try sharing plainly instead of "I know something you don't know" in a sing song like a child hiding behind IP crap to withhold it. :wtf:

customboss · April 19

I don’t disagree with any of those. Just YOU. Big Delta there.

put another way ……

How much filtration is done below 6 um with a full flow automotive filter?

Let me know

Pryme · April 19

Religion, politics, oil filters. All deep topics lol

Grumpy Bear · April 19

I have him back on ignore.

Look there is a light refracting particle counter test and water CAN mess it up IF the concentration is high enough. Like free water high and that is his position. Thing is.... this is a BLOCK PORE. He should know this. It is the lab he used for years. Some sad crap going on here.

customboss · April 20

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

I have him back on ignore.

Look there is a light refracting particle counter test and water CAN mess it up IF the concentration is high enough. Like free water high and that is his position. Thing is.... this is a BLOCK PORE. He should know this. It is the lab he used for years. Some sad crap going on here.

Sure is and you are the bandleader.

Grumpy Bear · April 20

7 hours ago, Pryme said:

Religion, politics, oil filters. All deep topics lol

And oil, don't forget oil.

I pay some attention to the news. Enough to know the House is dysfunctional and the priesthood defiled. Lawyers corrupt and teachers with a bend. Police more violent than the criminals. Know what they all have in common? College educated people with tons of experience acting like pigs that can't fly straight. (There's a Spanish word for that I can't recall).

TRUST is a thing earned, not paid for with a four-to-six-year education. I don't care who you THINK you are doesn't matter who you are. You cannot DEMAND my respect. I'm not impressed that easy.

The truth does not corrupt itself. It doesn't have a view and it is self-executing.

There is a world of things I do not know even about topics I know a great deal about. But what I don't do, is bend it to a purpose that does not serve the truth for my own reward. I don't' run a business. I don't sell anything. You all's decisions don't affect my wallet or my equipment. I get nothing from sharing but grief.

For that grief I help ONE person for every TEN haters. Best odds I'm going to get. I'm good with that.

Edited April 20 by Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · April 20

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Flat sheet. .0000787" hole diameter on .0001" centers at 60* between row hole centers = 56.171% open area at a 2 micron pass. Guys, that is just the math. Open Area Calculator | Hendrick Manufacturing (hendrickcorp.com)

The problem is strength not the math. The next question is how much filter area would it take to pump 10 gpm of 6,600 cP oil through a media at -30 F? ALLOT. Why it has a bypass. Well, how much to pump a 10 cP fluid at 212 F? A whole lot less. I'm not doing the dP calculation.

Suppose you didn't have to frame it as a flat sheet but rather a media of compressed random fibers like spun glass? Ah! Even less area. The path is no longer straight but convoluted.

Now you spin a tail of a filter that does not filter by 'pass through size' but rather some crazy idea of directional changes 'spinning the fluid clean." :crackup: And where 'cake' is no longer a functional part of filtration. Hum. But reclaim uses the same idea, indirect path filtration, Clay, to encourage a cake to enhance filter efficiency. Then tell people that the filter is more efficient new than used. OMG. Hum...

Rational test. If so, then why EVER change a filter as that thinking demands the filter Dp goes DOWN not UP. Direct, indirect the frigging filter plugs and as it does it traps smaller and smaller crap. Use your brain. :idiot:

Why did GM increase the bypass differential pressure of the Ecotec3 filters? Why did that not decrease flow to the bearings? Come on man.... you can intuit the answer.

So how does one keep the filter off bypass and still filter the tiny stuff?

More surface area and changed more often? Bypass filtration? :dunno: This isn't that hard, and I don't' need a degree in Tribology to get there from here.

customboss · April 20

hand waving isnt science. You hand wave and protesteth much.
You’re learning and recalling better.

lineman1234 · April 20

Almost 7,000 miles on mine, hasnt crapped out yet. With the hubb. A friend of mine about the same mileage, his a 4 door gmc admits mine sounds smoother at idle than his with the stock oil filter.

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I need to check the oil this morning and dump the catch can...............

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The one thing the catch can does do well, is capture moister/water. It would be burnt off like on you normal peoples rigs, anyway, sooner or later, but the can catches some before it gets burnt off.

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I HATE to do this, but,,, i use a reusable coffee filter also.

diyer2 · April 20

9 pages of oil filter talk. I'm pretty sure I have said this before. I have used Fram for years, cheap fleet filters also. Never had a failure, recently started using Wix.

Used this fleet filter for a while on my 12 Sierra. Currently $5.49 each, they were $1.99 when I used them, bought by the dozen. 3k OCI's.

KARNUT · April 20

My brother in law drives only GM trucks and large SUVs. He goes to AutoZone or Oriely and buys whatever synthetic bundle that’s on sale at the time. He changes his own oil around 5K miles. At around 140K miles he takes his wife’s ride for himself and she gets a low mileage used replacement. He’s at 285K on his Tahoe, she’s at 135 on her Yukon. He’s six months from retirement. His daughter had a regular cab for her college years. He bought her a graduation car. He’s going to freshen up the reg cab as his retirement vehicle. It only has 200K miles on it. He’s only had a handful of vehicles in the fifty years I’ve known him. He takes care of them maintenance wise. I’ve never seen his vehicles shiny clean, ever. He’s an enthusiast but those vehicles are for transportation only. He will restore his 69 Firebird during retirement, his first car. It took me 50 years to get it. I’ve had close to 200 vehicles. The money I spent is staggering. No regrets. It seems silly now.

Grumpy Bear · April 20

“We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.”

You can literally not change your oil or filter and more often than not make it to 100K miles just keeping it full. Lots of people have done that with Gen1 SBC. If that is your goal, then don't waste your money or time on either. But my bet is you won't accomplish that feat with a GDI. 99% of you will never hold on to one that long and I expect could care less about the guy you sell it to.

Mediocre is also a habit.

lineman1234 · April 21

This is as much fun and informative as someone posting the old, ( how much can i tow with my half ton ) in an rv forum.

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Carry on................................................

Grumpy Bear · April 21

12 hours ago, lineman1234 said:

This is as much fun and informative as someone posting the old, ( how much can i tow with my half ton ) in an rv forum.

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Carry on................................................

I don't tell people what I think can be done. I tell people what has been done. They get to choose to believe or not to believe. I choose not to care.

You won't own it long enough to matter. :rolleyes: