Which oil filter, not so simple!

[customboss]

18 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Do you get the idea that the result is more about how the motor is shedding than how the filter is filtering? Or perhaps how dirty the oil is new? 

Is this your car? If not what car and engine design? 

 

What you see from new oil to used oil in the initial readings on > 4 and >6 um is additive uptake onto the engine components.  The increases in those values on XG #2 and BOSS #1 is fuel deposits.  Do you have fuels dilution readings to correlate to the raw particles counts.  

 

You need the whole data set not just one test of course and you know that. 

 

 

[Black02Silverado]

On 4/4/2024 at 9:24 AM, lineman1234 said:

No magnet on the HUBB. I could put one on though, but im not that worried. 

... 6,000ish miles on the 2024 L8T, bought, 1/23/24 and it hasnt blown up yet. But thats only less than 1,000 miles on the HUBB, 5,200 on the oem and factory oil.

...

It/the HUBB,,, uses just the one multi screen, then, if needed goes into bypass and uses the second screen with the larger screen.... Then if really needed goes into bypass, bypass and bypasses the bypass screen wile using that and the big screen. 

... There is a spring in the other side of the small one i had put back in after cleaning. It is the bypass to bypass the larger one if ever needed, then if the small one clogged would bypass though that spring opening that is visible. 

... IF, that filter goes into bypass, there is really a problem or some big time neglect. 

This reminds me of the oil and fuel filters on the F100-220 Pratt & Whitney engines I worked on along with the GE J-79 out of the F-4's.

[Grumpy Bear]

 

[lineman1234]

The sky is falling.............

... I saw it on U=tube, it must be true. 

...

My 6.6 gasser,, still sounds great and smooooooth, smoother with the HUBB reusable than the paper filter.........

[Grumpy Bear]

30 minutes ago, lineman1234 said:

The sky is falling.............

... I saw it on U=tube, it must be true. 

...

My 6.6 gasser,, still sounds great and smooooooth, smoother with the HUBB reusable than the paper filter.........

 

Not where I saw it. Who tested it. Lake consults for Total Seal.

 

If you don't understand the ISO codes and what they mean: 

 

 

 

Numbers given in the ISO code are 4, 6 and 14 microns, CC Jensen, a Danish oil testing Concern gives us the following guidelines:

 

ISO 14/12/10 Very Clean Oil

ISO 16/14/11 Clean Oil

ISO 17/15/12 Lightly Contaminated

ISO 19/17/14 New Oil

ISO 22/20/17 Very Contaminated and not suitable for any service.

 

Here's a few from a Hell Cat breaking in. Have a block pore test run on yours at OCI end and compare. Let us know  

 

[Grumpy Bear]

On 9/26/2022 at 3:25 PM, Amcguy1970 said:

 

Is that list in order? Amsoil is the podium for me (1-3) then AC and K&N. Fram is walmart brand cardboard filters! 

 

 

I have some additional data that seems to indicate that these three: 

 

Purolator Pure One PL*******

FRAM XG*****

AMSOIL EA***

 

Are pretty much a dead heat and seem to use the same media. Differences are in construction, bypass spring style and cost. 

 

All points in white on the below graph are actual results. The red dot at 11 micron/Beta 75 is 'best fit'. 

 

 

 

[lineman1234]

I have no need to do oil samples, never have never will.

.. I dont care what oil or filters a person uses. I dont push my thoughts on others. Ill share them, but thats all. 

[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, lineman1234 said:

I have no need to do oil samples, never have never will.

.. I dont care what oil or filters a person uses. I dont push my thoughts on others. Ill share them, but thats all. 

 

I've never made a demand of anyone to use or to believe.  

 

I offered a suggestion on a method to prove to yourself the effectiveness of your choice/view that you would benefit from. Hey, maybe we all would. But....you are more than welcome to reject it and continue choice absent facts.  Facts you would generate and call your own. It has zero impact on my equipment or pocketbook. I did my homework. Happy to pay for it. Happy to share it. 

[KARNUT]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

I've never made a demand of anyone to use or to believe.  

 

I offered a suggestion on a method to prove to yourself the effectiveness of your choice/view that you would benefit from. Hey, maybe we all would. But....you are more than welcome to reject it and continue choice absent facts.  Facts you would generate and call your own. It has zero impact on my equipment or pocketbook. I did my homework. Happy to pay for it. Happy to share it. 

I’m stuck at Fram makes a good oil filter. That turned my world upside down. 

[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I’m stuck at Fram makes a good oil filter. That turned my world upside down. 

 

Yep, and some horrible ones to boot. They were absent from quality for quite some time. 

[OnTheReel]

It’s just like anything else. They have models that cater to the budget market (orange cans) and then some high end filters.

Fram Ultra 

 

Fram Titanium (Advance Auto version of the Ultra)

 

Fram Endurance (Walmart exclusive, made by Champion Labs, same media as Amsoil & Royal Purple but $12 instead of $20)

[customboss]

14 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

ISO 19/17/14 New Oil

Once again its mostly reading unactivated additives not dirty or UNCLEAN OIL in the biblical sense.  You can filter additives out of engine oil if you have a very efficient filter.   Water well that's a different story and will obscure the readings too. 

 

What you focus on Grumpy shows you are a novice who loves to read what he posts. 

 

Cheers

 

 

[Grumpy Bear]

10 hours ago, customboss said:

Once again its mostly reading unactivated additives not dirty or UNCLEAN OIL in the biblical sense.  You can filter additives out of engine oil if you have a very efficient filter.   Water well that's a different story and will obscure the readings too. 

 

What you focus on Grumpy shows you are a novice who loves to read what he posts. 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

I talked with AMSOIL and Red Line both directly about filtering out additives. Both disagree with you. Most are in solution and those that are not, are submicron suspensions. In fact, I spent quite some time on this with Red Line when I bought my 2 micron AMSOIL bypass system and directly about the moly in Red Line Oil. 

 

Oh, looky-see there. The FACTS disagree with you.  Ultra Clean 13/12/8 oil with the additive package intact. In fact, very close to the VOA. Lord, wear metals showing  How can this be? The ISO test starts at 2 microns. 

 

The GM Wear Study disagrees with you. Machinery Lubrication disagrees. Oil Labs disagree. Ed Law/Total Seal disagrees. Fact is, you're on an island on this. 

 

 

 

You need a different hobby that following me like a puppy. Now back in the IGNORNE box with you. I opened this single post on a gut feel and guess what...... You did not disappoint. 

 

 

 

Edited April 19 by Grumpy Bear

[customboss]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

You need a different hobby that following me like a puppy.

You keep posting your opinion vs science. I just can't help myself to try share truth vs your opinion there internet warrior. 

 

WOOF 

[customboss]

 

OK  Marty  you are proving what I am sharing as a fact.

 

The fresh oil has higher levels of ADDITIVES unactivated 800,311,23 first three lines as particle agglomeration.

 

Once activated drops to 77,29,2  when heat cycled.  Not filtered. 

 

I made a career by being on a island but not from or with other scientists, just internet bloviators like you my friend.

 

By the way you owe me lunch, when and where do you want to meet us for some good Illinois hospitality? 

 

Lee