2024 HD Changes

C/K Man · May 27, 2022

So far, it seems the following changes are certain:

Redesigned front fascia/grill.

Redesigned interior/dash for higher trim level models.

H.P./torque increase for Duramax.

New ZR2/AT4X off-road models

These changes are rumored:

H.P./torque increase for L8T 6.6L gasoline engine.

10 speed Allison transmission available with L8T gasoline engine.

E-coat frame.

Any more?

nards444 · May 31, 2022

Not sure but here is the list of my complaints on my 21. I have an LT diesel but its fairly optioned out LT and some of these things there are no excuse.

Nothing in particular order.

-Mirrors create blind spots looking forward or left or right, need to be looked at in either size, shape or location

-Bed light should have a button like ford in the bed to turn it off and on

-Power mirrors should have an option to fold them in and out based off turning the key on and off

-Dash/infotainment center is an embarrassment for a 70k truck. Same crap they have had in there since 2014, the whole thing needs to re done

-The app needs to be free at least remote start etc, like others out there, stupid I have to pay $14 a month

-Would like to see an electric helper heater for a diesel like ford has, this truck heats up fairly quick compared to other diesels but that sup heater would be a good thing

-Strap for hood to pull down once open

-cameras on the LT are junk, bed camera that is on the rear view mirror is not great and you cant see at night with it

-Goes for a lot of GM trucks the whole console on bucket seats could be look at it its just a big spot for junk need to compartmentalize it, just clean it up

-Front end needs some help, luckily the body color grill and bumper makes it look tolerable the chrome not so much

-For the love of god this goes for lots of brands HD trucks, please design a wheel that doesnt look ridiculous.

- passenger window show be auto up

Edited May 31, 2022 by nards444

sheath · May 31, 2022

Price increases would be standard fare. Although rumor has it, production may be back to quasi-normal, and "Truck Month" will actually mean something again. :thumbs:

Would love to see a sunroof option on the extended cab, and a panoramic sunroof on the crew cab.

Also for those of us who chose the upfitter switches, install the darned kit during the build. Tossing a kit in a box when dealers don't even want to do the install is really sad.

An up-rated 5th wheel/goose neck pin rating would be very helpful. I just looked at a new cattle trailer, and may need to go Dodge/Ford to be "legit" for the road. In which case, it won't matter what else Chevy does.

MTU Alum · May 31, 2022

2 hours ago, sheath said:

An up-rated 5th wheel/goose neck pin rating would be very helpful. I just looked at a new cattle trailer, and may need to go Dodge/Ford to be "legit" for the road. In which case, it won't matter what else Chevy does.

What does upgraded FW/GN pin mean? Capability of truck (GVW, GCW) or hitch weight capability?

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sheath · May 31, 2022

35 minutes ago, MTU Alum said:

What does upgraded FW/GN pin mean? Capability of truck (GVW, GCW) or hitch weight capability?

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Hitch weight capability. It is well under the payload, which penalizes the truck compared to it's competition.

ETA: live stock & horse trailers have the axles way back to improve the ride quality. Some equipment trailers are the same setup too. Gooseneck weight is heavy compared to travel trailers.

Edited May 31, 2022 by sheath

Random · May 31, 2022

30 minutes ago, sheath said:

Hitch weight capability. It is well under the payload, which penalizes the truck compared to it's competition.

From what I can see the conventional max tongue weight is 10% of the max towing capacity and 15% for the gooseneck max tongue weight that you see on your sticker. My truck is a '21 CCSB Duramax, 18,500 max towing = 1850 conventional max tongue and 2775 gooseneck max tongue weight. Gas has a bit lower towing capacity and so those numbers are lower. I don't know how the other brands figure their numbers, but would be curious if they are more than the 10%/15% numbers I'm seeing for our trucks.

sheath · May 31, 2022

9 minutes ago, Random said:

From what I can see the conventional max tongue weight is 10% of the max towing capacity and 15% for the gooseneck max tongue weight that you see on your sticker. My truck is a '21 CCSB Duramax, 18,500 max towing = 1850 conventional max tongue and 2775 gooseneck max tongue weight. Gas has a bit lower towing capacity and so those numbers are lower. I don't know how the other brands figure their numbers, but would be curious if they are more than the 10%/15% numbers I'm seeing for our trucks.

Ford & Dodge do not list a max tongue/king pin weight on their capacity label. So if your payload is 3,500lbs, there is nothing with Ford or Dodge on the door capacity label that says you have to tow less based on the "king pin capacity." The towing guide states tongue/king pin should be 10/15% and not to exceed GAWR or GVW/GCW. But does not mandate a specific weight limit on the king pin.

Critical with livestock/horse and some equipment trailers because of how far back the axles are. I was talking with the local feather lite dealer about a 24' stock trailer. He said when he's fully loaded he sees tongue weights in excess of the 2,460 rating of my truck. 4,000 lbs of trailer, and somewhere up to 11,000 lbs of beef on the hoof. This would be under GVW, GAWR, GCW, but about 1,000 lbs over the king pin weight as stated on the label of my current truck. There isn't enough room behind the axle of a stock trailer to get down to 15%. So if I want to haul my own cattle, I'd have to change trucks due to the way GM creates the capacity label.

Random · May 31, 2022

I would doubt that Chevy would handicap themselves like that. Out of curiosity I read the owners manual on a 2022 Ford F-250 and it states “The trailer tongue weight should never exceed 10% of the maximum towing capacity when towing a conventional trailer, and should never exceed 15% of the maximum towing capacity when towing a fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailer.”. Looks like Chevy is just doing us a favor by putting it on the sticker.

Tom Witnauer · May 31, 2022

Actually, Ford has the same limitation, they just bury it in the owner's manual.

From page 329 of the 2022 F350 Owner's Manual:

"The trailer tongue weight should never exceed 10% of the maximum towing capacity when towing a conventional trailer, and should never exceed 15% of the maximum towing capacity when towing a fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailer."

However, since the 7.3 with 4.30 gears is rated at 20,200 pounds for gooseneck (crew cab 4x4), 15% gives you 3030 pounds, versus 2460 pounds for a gas 6.6 GM.

This only applies to the 7.3 with 4.30 gears. With 3.73 gears or any 6.2, they are very close to GM and, in some cases, a bit lower.

With conventional towing, even the 7.3 with 4.30 gears is maxed out at 15,000, so it would only gain 50 pounds in tongue weight.

I think this is all tied to the SAE rating.

sheath · May 31, 2022

18 minutes ago, Random said:

I would doubt that Chevy would handicap themselves like that. Out of curiosity I read the owners manual on a 2022 Ford F-250 and it states “The trailer tongue weight should never exceed 10% of the maximum towing capacity when towing a conventional trailer, and should never exceed 15% of the maximum towing capacity when towing a fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailer.”. Looks like Chevy is just doing us a favor by putting it on the sticker.

It is no favor to us. It is a favor to their legal department.

DOT does not regulate king pin weight ratio. It is GVW, GCW and GAWR.

when you start hauling different trailers with different product you'll see how limiting this spec on the label is.

MTU Alum · June 1, 2022

The trailer label is a reference for J2807 for that model. That hitch is good to 15% of 36,000 lbs for GN, 15% of 32,000 lbs for 5th wheel, and 10% of 20,000 lbs for conventional.

If you want to 30% pin on a 10k trailer, you can as long you stay within the GAWRs, GVW, payload, and GCW.

The other values on the trailer label are reference for what that model is certified to for SAE J2807.

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