Anyone using BG MOA

[Bamacommander]

Just had my first free oil change and the dealer recommended that I add BG MOA to my oil. So I did, it was an extra $28. The service advisor told me that he has  never seen an engine issue if you use this stuff. Does anyone know anything about this product?

[diyer2]

BG makes good products IMO. I wouldn't pay for it. I would shorten my oil change miles or up grade my oil and filter. Either way the cost would be similar. 

[rbdjr]

I have used and installed BG MOA before, but usually 5/10$ at the most?

[HistoryTeacher2020]

I change my oil at 3500 +/-. So, have no need for it. However, I have used the BG44K fuel system on my '08 Yukon (5.3) through 178K + miles on it before I sold it to my mechanic. I have used the BG44K twice now in my'20 Silverado LT crewcab (5.3). Cheers.

 

[Black02Silverado]

Not familiar with it.  I would just run a quality synthetic.

[Phantom 4D]

I think just about every GM dealer carries BG products. Having worked in the service industry 24 years, parts and products are a big part of the profit margin in service. And service is the main money maker for dealers. Some dealers add a pretty high markup on aftermarket. I have seen BG MOA on Amazon at $33 for two. 

Personally, I only use fuel additives. Usually BG44K. I found that it works better than any others I have used. 

And those free oil changes? They are not a loss to the dealer. 

[diyer2]

My opinion.

BG44k is a great choice for a fuel system that hasn't been maintained and needs a heavy shot of cleaner. Regular fuel system maintenance would be better than waiting IMO.

I have used BG44K in vehicles lacking fuel system maintenance and it works well.   

[customboss]

On 11/25/2021 at 8:50 AM, Bamacommander said:

Just had my first free oil change and the dealer recommended that I add BG MOA to my oil. So I did, it was an extra $28. The service advisor told me that he has  never seen an engine issue if you use this stuff. Does anyone know anything about this product?

BG makes very good fully formulated lubricants. Before using an oil additive I would use that first. 

 

Most of their products are designed to be used at dealer or service events and provide some warranty benefit.  I have tested and dealt professionally with their chemists and formulators over the years. Its good chemistry however it's a profit maker for the dealer or servicing provider.  Used consistently they lower wear and keep things clean.  I would call the products troubleshooting chemistries to help troubled units or worn out units sustain.  Thats not a criticism.  

 

MOA is basically their additive package in concentrated form with the idea it will make up for a fully formulated lubricant deficiencies.  GM and other OEM's  corporate turns a blind eye if dealers use it of course.  Unless theres an issue they can blame on BG use.  Then BG will cover you, very much like Amsoil who I also consulted for as a forensic analyst for warranty issues.  

 

Some lubricant and chem companies lean on the base oils, some use additives to separate product from the pack.   Lubrications Engineers is one that leans on additives and patented distinguishing products for all their products which consistently exceed standards in actual real life operations.  However if you want more cutting edge base oils, Amsoil and others should be considered.  

 

Adding MOA to Dexos 1 gen 2 or the new gen 3 is stupid in general unless you can show me why tribologically you would want to do so.  Will MOA hurt the engine, no, will it interact with the fully formulated lube adds potentially but BG says its fully compatible. 

 

Magnesium Sulfonate has become a goto organometallic additive for newer API and ILSAC specs vs Ca based additives with the excuse being LSPI events damaging GM turbocharged engines.  

 

MOA starts with a M...........:)  

 

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, customboss said:

 

MOA starts with a M...........:)  

 

 

 

So it's an over based detergent package?

[customboss]

BG’s fully formulated add pack with some other constituents.. 

[Bamacommander]

So in English what are you guys saying?

[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, Bamacommander said:

So in English what are you guys saying?

 

This pie chart is from Penrite Oil. The additives SHOWN represents typically 5% to 15% of a can of motor oil.

 

VI improvers, a different 'additive' or "modifier" will be about 5% to 10% more of the can although there are a few that contain zero.

 

75% to 95% is actually the base oils, plural. 

 

A product like BG MOA is what would go into the 8-15% of a bottle of motor oil. May not be all of these and may not be in the same ratios. These are in a 'carrier' oil. A very polar carrier oil. This could be an oil soluble PAG, an Ester, an alkylated naphthalene, all Group V fluids OR it could be a dewaxed straight paraffinic mineral oil. (Conventional). 

 

It is also part of the booster. They have no idea what your going to put it in and oils like Group II+, GTL's, Group III and III+ and PAO are 'dry' oils. Non-polar. Many additives require the base to be a certain degree of polar to hold the additive in suspension. Some can be held in solution and a few can even be absorbed but they don't know if they are not doing the add what it is being added to. 

 

 

One issue with these products is the one additive of a certain type may not always play nice with a different additive of another type. Best example I can think of is ZDDP and the dispersant chemistry. There are many types of each. Get it right and soot stays in suspension and the zinc works as it should. Get it wrong and the soot will strip the phosphate from the base metal preventing the zinc from forming the anti-wear coating so that the result is increased wear instead of anti-wear. 

 

Clear as mud...right? 

[luke1333]

Let me ask you this, does GM recommend using a product like this? If they wanted you to use an additive they would make one and make money on it. No way I'll put in my truck

[Grumpy Bear]

3 minutes ago, luke1333 said:

Let me ask you this, does GM recommend using a product like this? If they wanted you to use an additive they would make one and make money on it. No way I'll put in my truck

 

That would be a GM tech like @newdude question or perhaps @customboss would know but I seriously doubt it. 

[customboss]

2 hours ago, Bamacommander said:

So in English what are you guys saying?

You don't need it in a fully formulated Dexos oil. If you and the dealer want to use BG lubes then have them supply the fully formulated BG oil but I am pretty sure BG does not have a Dexos license. Which begs the question why dealers are marketing non approved lubes and additives.  Sadly in English, marketing is trumping science usually. And US consumers buy it. 

 

Again it won't harm a thing from testing these products for years but in a new engine it ain't needed.