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30 minutes ago, midwestdenaliguy said:

Grumpy, I read through the link you provided. It's well beyond my technical knowledge of oil/filters so I'm trying to understand which filter has the best results. Am I reading this portion right, that the Purolator Pure One had the best filtration results and the Mobil 1 had the worst (see the list below that I pulled from your link)? I've ran Mobil 1 oil and filters for years because they always came highly recommended, but if they've fallen off recently or never truly were that good I'm happy to make the switch to a better product. Any recommendations on your end?

 

Purolator Pure One PL22500 > 5 micron

Royal Purple @ 18/19 micron

AMSOIL Ea017 20 micron.

WIX/NAPA @ 22 micron

AC Delco PF63E @ 23/24 micron.

Mobil 1 M1-212A @ 25 micron

 

11 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:


Ask him to “esplain” it to you, the micron amount at 20-30-50-60-70% full. How much are they actually filtering when that much full.

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Nevermind guys, I somehow missed the first page. Everything is discussed in there. Got my answers and will be looking into other options outside of Mobil 1.

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Nevermind guys, I somehow missed the first page. Everything is discussed in there. Got my answers and will be looking into other options outside of Mobil 1.

Just look at micron efficiency rating, 20 microns. This is why I chose Amsoil. Amsoil has a 15k mile as well like Purolator but it’s only a few dollars cheaper than Amsoils 25k mile filter. I’d buy the 15k but don’t think they still sell it. Just look at the highest efficiency when it’s run it’s course. Good luck and take care!


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Just called advanced auto parts for the Purolator Boss PBL22500, quoted exact price as my 25k mile Amsoil EAO17 Filter, no thanks, I’ll stick with Amsoil 25k mile oil filters.

 

My way of thinking is, worse case scenario: “what if” things got worse, economic collapse or you’ve got to be on the road a long time, you can’t get to changing your oil and you’re already up there in mileage? I’d rather be using the highest quality just in case I’m stuck not being able to access oil and filter.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:


Just look at micron efficiency rating, 20 microns. This is why I chose Amsoil. Amsoil has a 15k mile as well like Purolator but it’s only a few dollars cheaper than Amsoils 25k mile filter. I’d buy the 15k but don’t think they still sell it. Just look at the highest efficiency when it’s run it’s course. Good luck and take care!


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Much appreciated TXGREEK! As someone else said it's disappointing to see a trusted brand/product be outperformed by so many other brands, but such is life. Once you become educated you then make the proper change. A little while back I switched to Amsoil for my gear oil in the diffs and their ATF for the T-case after researching and seeing great results with others. Wish I would have connected the dots sooner on my engine oil/filter, but now I know and will make the change. Thanks again!

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I have used different brands of oil filters including fleet filters bought by the dozen at auto stores. You have to ask for them. Back when I started doing this I could by a fleet oil filter for less than $2 each. They meet OEM spec and are what fast lube, oil change shops use.

Over thinking a throw away item. 

Just change oil and filter. 

Just sayin.

Think I'll go fishing instead of debating oil filters.

 

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I have used different brands of oil filters including fleet filters bought by the dozen at auto stores. You have to ask for them. Back when I started doing this I could by a fleet oil filter for less than $2 each. They meet OEM spec and are what fast lube, oil change shops use.
Over thinking a throw away item. 
Just change oil and filter. 
Just sayin.
Think I'll go fishing instead of debating oil filters.
 

Yeah, you know what happens when we all start talking oil lol.


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Much appreciated TXGREEK! As someone else said it's disappointing to see a trusted brand/product be outperformed by so many other brands, but such is life. Once you become educated you then make the proper change. A little while back I switched to Amsoil for my gear oil in the diffs and their ATF for the T-case after researching and seeing great results with others. Wish I would have connected the dots sooner on my engine oil/filter, but now I know and will make the change. Thanks again!

In a disposable world you get that type of performance out of products. There are people like you and me that research, do their homework and then there are always going to be, the majority that think cheap price is better and I’ll be the first one to tell you that quality individuals look at quality first above everything else. If you’re changing your oil regularly and with good results, stick to what you’re doing. These new engines have extremely tight tolerances and require the best oil and filter you can afford, highest cleaning agents and protective lubricity are just a couple of the top performance enhancers you need to look at. Looking at cost alone limits all of it.

I for one know I’m over killing it by changing this superior oil and filter at 4-5k miles but I know that my engine components are protected at 5k miles like as if the oil was just changed.

To each their own, just don’t always let cost be the #1 factor and always remember “Full Synthetic Oil” is not 100% Synthetic, it is only if it says it on the bottle.

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1 hour ago, midwestdenaliguy said:

Grumpy, I read through the link you provided. It's well beyond my technical knowledge of oil/filters so I'm trying to understand which filter has the best results. Am I reading this portion right, that the Purolator Pure One had the best filtration results and the Mobil 1 had the worst (see the list below that I pulled from your link)? I've ran Mobil 1 oil and filters for years because they always came highly recommended, but if they've fallen off recently or never truly were that good I'm happy to make the switch to a better product. Any recommendations on your end?

 

Purolator Pure One PL22500 & Purolator BOSS PBL22500 > 5 micron

Royal Purple @ 18/19 micron

AMSOIL Ea017 20 micron.

WIX/NAPA @ 22 micron

AC Delco PF63E @ 23/24 micron.

Mobil 1 M1-212A @ 25 micron

You read that correctly sir. Top to bottom best to worst. 

 

Mobil 1 comes highly marketed. Not quite the same thing as a recommendation. IMHO.

 

If you read the next post in that link there is a chart with the ISO 4406 results of several off the shelf oils inserted into the standards. You will also find two examples of Mobil 1 virgin oil and that same oil after filtration with an AMSOIL Ea series filter. Note that it was the filter that brought the oil inside the 'clean oil" spec and fit for service? So then any filter that filters at least his well would be on my choice of filters. Ergo any of the top three lines in that list. After that...price becomes my second criteria.

 

Purolator has four lines filters. The BOSS PBL22500 (black box), Purolator One PL22500 (Blue box), Purolator L22500 (Red Box) and the Purolator Tech TL22500 White filter. This last one is for professional services.  The second one on this list is the one in the list above. The black box holds more dirt and filters as well as the blue but cost about $2 more per filter. The red filters about like the WIX Gold but holds less dirt.  and I have no information on the white filter.

 

Both Royal Purple and AMSOIL have but one line I'm aware of. 

 

The level of filtration this linked thread addresses is the levels sought for maximum engine life. Think million mile gas motors. I know, no one hangs on that long. But here's the thing. Many filters on this list cost more than the best filters on that list so......get' n my drift?  I buy my Purolator BOSS for the same price at Blain's Farm and Fleet as Walmart charges for the Mobil 1. I could get better rates yet on line. ? 

 

 

 

 

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So we have a filter that has maximum filtration as stated. I wonder if the filter is that restrictive how quick does it go to bypass? Or does it have a less restrictive bypass or complete bypass? In that case do we have oil that mostly not getting filtered? I’m asking because it hasn’t been asked. As far as a vehicle going 1000000 miles. Do the math on that one. Add up your yearly miles. Figure out what your vehicle would be if they did go that far as a rule. I use to collect old cars. My last 65 elcamino. A original 327-4speed with factory air. Very nice. Not a daily driver now. I happen to be driving a similar vehicle I was driving 1000000 ago. At 50K miles a year my usual working mileage. It was a garage kept truck with no signs of bad weather or HWY driving. No bug marks. At 174K miles at 20 years old. The younger generation would go crazy the way the 700R4 shifts or lack of technology. Another 100K miles is my goal. 1000000 mile vehicle, please.


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So we have a filter that has maximum filtration as stated. I wonder if the filter is that restrictive how quick does it go to bypass? Or does it have a less restrictive bypass or complete bypass? In that case do we have oil that mostly not getting filtered? I’m asking because it hasn’t been asked. As far as a vehicle going 1000000 miles. Do the math on that one. Add up your yearly miles. Figure out what your vehicle would be if they did go that far as a rule. I use to collect old cars. My last 65 elcamino. A original 327-4speed with factory air. Very nice. Not a daily driver now. I happen to be driving a similar vehicle I was driving 1000000 ago. At 50K miles a year my usual working mileage. It was a garage kept truck with no signs of bad weather or HWY driving. No bug marks. At 174K miles at 20 years old. The younger generation would go crazy the way the 700R4 shifts or lack of technology. Another 100K miles is my goal. 1000000 mile vehicle, please.


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When you make coffee you use a filter. You don’t use two because ones enough. If you use two the coffee will back up you get grounds in your pot. So with a target mileage for oil changes. How much filtration is required. Or do we get too fine of filtration and less oil is filtered? Can more be less?


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When you make coffee you use a filter. You don’t use two because ones enough. If you use two the coffee will back up you get grounds in your pot. So with a target mileage for oil changes. How much filtration is required. Or do we get too fine of filtration and less oil is filtered? Can more be less?


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1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

You read that correctly sir. Top to bottom best to worst. 

 

Mobil 1 comes highly marketed. Not quite the same thing as a recommendation. IMHO.

 

If you read the next post in that link there is a chart with the ISO 4406 results of several off the shelf oils inserted into the standards. You will also find two examples of Mobil 1 virgin oil and that same oil after filtration with an AMSOIL Ea series filter. Note that it was the filter that brought the oil inside the 'clean oil" spec and fit for service? So then any filter that filters at least his well would be on my choice of filters. Ergo any of the top three lines in that list. After that...price becomes my second criteria.

 

Purolator has four lines filters. The BOSS PBL22500 (black box), Purolator One PL22500 (Blue box), Purolator L22500 (Red Box) and the Purolator Tech TL22500 White filter. This last one is for professional services.  The second one on this list is the one in the list above. The black box holds more dirt and filters as well as the blue but cost about $2 more per filter. The red filters about like the WIX Gold but holds less dirt.  and I have no information on the white filter.

 

Both Royal Purple and AMSOIL have but one line I'm aware of. 

 

The level of filtration this linked thread addresses is the levels sought for maximum engine life. Think million mile gas motors. I know, no one hangs on that long. But here's the thing. Many filters on this list cost more than the best filters on that list so......get' n my drift?  I buy my Purolator BOSS for the same price at Blain's Farm and Fleet as Walmart charges for the Mobil 1. I could get better rates yet on line. ? 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply and even more thanks on the layman's explanation for my simpleton brain! 

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Thanks for taking the time to reply and even more thanks on the layman's explanation for my simpleton brain! 

Lol, thought you knew this about Grumpy, it’s what he does, analyzes what’s good enough for him, should be good enough for everyone lol. He’s a good guy, sets some off but harmless


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On 9/26/2020 at 9:59 AM, spenpet said:

Go to change my oil this morning and notice the new oil filter is significantly smaller than the one I had on hand... I’m sure it is a cost cutting measure, but does the smaller filter limit or perform as good as the larger?  Anyone have noticed the same thing?

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Swore those off when I realized they were dropping my oil pressure about 3 psi compared with the K&N and it only filters down to 30 microns while the K&N is down to 10-12 @ 99% and flows 16 gallons per minute versus 11.2 for M1.  Love the 1" nut too!

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