ICON Stage 2 droop stop cut off??

Erod_66 · August 15, 2020

So I ordered and began to receive my ICON stage 2 kit for my 19’ AT4. It includes front coil overs, ICON tubular UCA’s, and the rear 2.0 shocks. I’m excited to do the install and get rid of this marshmallow feel.

My question is related to the droop stop. When installing their UCA’s, ICON says to cut off the droop stop. I’ve look online and have not seen anyone discussing this in the new models. Has anyone done this mod? Is there any potential damage in the future by cutting these off?

lapoolboy · August 15, 2020

I'd say if Icon states to cut them off in their own installation instructions, there's probably a reason.

topgear1224 · August 15, 2020

If you don't cut it off and it will slam into the control arm under rebound. This could actually damage the arm.

Is an thin piece of metal. if you decide to go back to stock when you sell the car, or for whatever reason, you can always have it welded back in.

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Flatblack83 · August 15, 2020

I just sent my stage 1 coilovers back to be converted to stage 4. I bought the tubular delta joint arms, same ones you probably have. I just read the same thing, I sent them an email, hopefully cutting em off doesnt pop or bind up the cv shaft when its put on a lift. I have no problem cutting em off other than that.

Looking at other brands most of em have you cut it off in their instructions, only one that doesn't it rough country.

Erod_66 · August 15, 2020

5 hours ago, topgear1224 said:

If you don't cut it off and it will slam into the control arm under rebound. This could actually damage the arm.

Is an thin piece of metal. if you decide to go back to stock when you sell the car, or for whatever reason, you can always have it welded back in.

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Thanks for the explanation (it makes sense). I also figured ICON would have done enough research and designed the UCA with this modification in mind, hence that's why it's part of the instructions. I was worried about comments from other online posts where they discussed stressing and possibly damaging the CV axles and the UBJ's. I don't know much of about the suspension, so I wanted to make sure. Just dotting my i's and crossing my T's.

Erod_66 · August 15, 2020

1 hour ago, Flatblack83 said:

I just sent my stage 1 coilovers back to be converted to stage 4. I bought the tubular delta joint arms, same ones you probably have. I just read the same thing, I sent them an email, hopefully cutting em off doesnt pop or bind up the cv shaft when its put on a lift. I have no problem cutting em off other than that.

Looking at other brands most of em have you cut it off in their instructions, only one that doesn't it rough country.

If you don't mind, let me know what they say. I noticed it on a couple of other brands too, but reading comments online from older models made me question it and wanted to confirm.

What the conversion running? Is ICON doing it or an authorized servicer?

I ordered the caps for the UCA's and the boots for the rear 2.0 shocks. The rears were upgraded to the reservoir version for free because the non resi's were out of stock and I wasn't notified. Hopefully Mystique rides superb after this upgrade. I don't plan on going any higher than 2.75" total, but leaning toward 2.5". I'm looking for a smooth stable ride, absorbing the crappy roads that I drive on.

topgear1224 · August 15, 2020

Their coilover should be more than strong enough to act as a bump stop, remember only thing it's stopping movement is basically the wheel and tire assembly.

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Flatblack83 · August 15, 2020

9 minutes ago, Erod_66 said:

If you don't mind, let me know what they say. I noticed it on a couple of other brands too, but reading comments online from older models made me question it and wanted to confirm.

What the conversion running? Is ICON doing it or an authorized servicer?

I ordered the caps for the UCA's and the boots for the rear 2.0 shocks. The rears were upgraded to the reservoir version for free because the non resi's were out of stock and I wasn't notified. Hopefully Mystique rides superb after this upgrade. I don't plan on going any higher than 2.75" total, but leaning toward 2.5". I'm looking for a smooth stable ride, absorbing the crappy roads that I drive on.

They are adding reservoirs, the cdcv adjuster, revalving them, removing stage 1 internal stops and sending the reservoir mounts....its not cheap, 900.00. I talked to them on the phone, I want them to ride smooth at the 3-3.5 area. I prefer it at 3.5 and since that's max it takes a little work to get them how I want since the lower uca is at a steeper angle and it makes the ride stiffer.

The stage 2 version and up have more travel and need the uca, thats where I think the stops get cut off. I asked them how much more travel does it get and if they have any cv problems binding or popping out with the stops cut off.

Caps for the uca..? I thought they came with em. Hmm. Ill be ordering those. Getting the rear rest shocks too, nice..if these fronts work like I hope they do ill be getting the rears too with the cdcv.

topgear1224 · August 15, 2020

They are adding reservoirs, the cdcv adjuster, revalving them, removing stage 1 internal stops and sending the reservoir mounts....its not cheap, 900.00. I talked to them on the phone, I want them to ride smooth at the 3-3.5 area. I prefer it at 3.5 and since that's max it takes a little work to get them how I want since the lower uca is at a steeper angle and it makes the ride stiffer.

The stage 2 version and up have more travel and need the uca, thats where I think the stops get cut off. I asked them how much more travel does it get and if they have any cv problems binding or popping out with the stops cut off.

Caps for the uca..? I thought they came with em. Hmm. Ill be ordering those. Getting the rear rest shocks too, nice..if these fronts work like I hope they do ill be getting the rears too with the cdcv.

What swayed you away from just getting superlift 3-inch set up with Kings?

I had Fox, icon and kings on my list.

When I found out Fox's DSC rear shocks allow for zero lift at all. They were off the list.

I like icons but I will only buy them if they're at least remote reservoir and the price for the remote reservoir for icon verses the king superlift with adjusters was really hard to justify.

superlift also includes at 60000 Mile drivetrain warranty in case your dealer is a jerk.

Superlift setup give you one inch of extra travel on the rear. (it uses a small block to drop your axle but it doesn't drop your bump stop.)

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Flatblack83 · August 15, 2020

9 minutes ago, topgear1224 said:

What swayed you away from just getting superlift 3-inch set up with Kings?

I had Fox, icon and kings on my list.

When I found out Fox's DSC rear shocks allow for zero lift at all. They were off the list.

I like icons but I will only buy them if they're at least remote reservoir and the price for the remote reservoir for icon verses the king superlift with adjusters was really hard to justify.

superlift also includes at 60000 Mile drivetrain warranty in case your dealer is a jerk.

Superlift setup give you one inch of extra travel on the rear. (it uses a small block to drop your axle but it doesn't drop your bump stop.)

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I have the icons since November, the stage one's are too firm for these Pennsylvania fine roads. Lol. When i bought these they were the only company besides cst that made coilovers for these trucks. With already having them i just wanted em revalved since its free but when they suggested the cdcv I decided why not.

I have the rear 2.0 icon shocks now with 1.5 blocks. Upfront an upper rc 2 inch level with a lower motofab 1 inch. That way it sits the same as the icons did temporarily. Prob 2-3 weeks at most.

The kings on my 2500hd were a real pain, the springs sagged and the valving sucked. Accutune set me up with better valving and eibach springs for them. But these i could do myself instead of mailing them.

Superlift 6-7.5 on my hd was flawless for over 10 years, id buy from that company anytime.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Flatblack83

Flatblack83 · August 19, 2020

I asked about the droop stop, if you aren't going to do any excessive offloading like jumping it you don't need to trim them off.

Erod_66 · August 19, 2020

10 minutes ago, Flatblack83 said:

I asked about the droop stop, if you aren't going to do any excessive offloading like jumping it you don't need to trim them off.

Ahhhhh, too late, they've been cut off and thrown away lol I definitely do not plan on doing any intentional jumping. The wheels do have added travel with the droop stops off.

I have the front coilovers and UCA's installed (finished yesterday). Make sure all of the zerk fittings are in your box if you are swapping out the UCA's. My box only came with the replacements for the delta joint and I placed an order on Amazon for the 90 degree finings that go in the bushings. Waiting on the rear 2.0's with resis to arrive tomorrow. I'll try to do the install over the weekend and upload some photos.

Flatblack83 · August 19, 2020

2 hours ago, Erod_66 said:

Ahhhhh, too late, they've been cut off and thrown away lol I definitely do not plan on doing any intentional jumping. The wheels do have added travel with the droop stops off.

I have the front coilovers and UCA's installed (finished yesterday). Make sure all of the zerk fittings are in your box if you are swapping out the UCA's. My box only came with the replacements for the delta joint and I placed an order on Amazon for the 90 degree finings that go in the bushings. Waiting on the rear 2.0's with resis to arrive tomorrow. I'll try to do the install over the weekend and upload some photos.

Did you have any cv shaft binding after you cut them off at full droop..? Im thinking ill cut mine off too.

What wheels are you running, how much room do these uca's give..? I hope my wheels clear.

Erod_66 · August 20, 2020

3 hours ago, Flatblack83 said:

Did you have any cv shaft binding after you cut them off at full droop..? Im thinking ill cut mine off too.

What wheels are you running, how much room do these uca's give..? I hope my wheels clear.

I honestly do not remember checking. I'll stick the floor jack under there tomorrow and snap a picture. I drove it for about 6 miles today and noticed a huge difference in ride quality. It feels grounded and street bumps/rutts are not a problem @ 30 mph+. The truck has a good firm feel, grounded, and stable.

I am currently running the stock 20" wheels with stock 275/60/ 20 Bridgestone Duelers. I don't have much room between the UCA and the tire as shown in the pics. I'll will have to get hub centric wheels pacers when I get new 34 or 35 x11.5 Nittos RG's.

I'll post my height measurements soon.