Would you rebuy 2019/2020 GM truck?

Cpl_Punishment · August 26, 2020

21 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

My 2015 RCSB mini motor payload is 1,979 lbs.

4521 at the curb with a 6500 lb GVRW

WHAT a ton isn't enough for a half ton to carry? You need a 3500

Family of 4 (eventually) plus dog plus spray in bed liner plus canopy plus camping gear plus travel trailer hitch weight...

Yeah, 1270 lbs of payload isn't going to cut it for me in a few years, depending on how fast my kids grow and what size trailer we decide on.

AlaskaErik · August 26, 2020

25 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

My 2015 RCSB mini motor payload is 1,979 lbs.

4521 at the curb with a 6500 lb GVRW

Half tons will run out of payload capacity long before you get anywhere near that useless so-called max tow weight. While you have plenty of payload capacity, your 4.3L makes your truck a poor choice for towing. I have all the payload capacity I need plus a 6.2L beast of a motor for towing. After adding steps and a tonneau cover I now weigh 5450 lbs at the curb, but my GVWR is 7300 lbs, which still leaves me with 1850 lbs of remaining payload capacity. My GCWR is 17,800 lbs.

AlaskaErik · August 26, 2020

5 minutes ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

Family of 4 (eventually) plus dog plus spray in bed liner plus canopy plus camping gear plus travel trailer hitch weight...

Yeah, 1270 lbs of payload isn't going to cut it for me in a few years, depending on how fast my kids grow and what size trailer we decide on.

You're right about that. My little 19' trailer tongue weight is over 700 lbs when the fresh water tank is filled. You're probably going to have a much larger trailer. My 2016 payload started out at 1572 lbs, but when I added the canopy, nerf bars, air bags, cargo mat and mud flaps my payload capacity dropped down to 1310 lbs. Subtract 750 lbs for tongue weight and hitch weight and I only have 560 lbs left for me, the wife, the Labrador Retriever, a generator, gas can, cooler, fire wood and everything else. It simply wasn't enough. That's why I bought the 2019 with its 1910 lbs of payload. I only added steps and a soft tonneau cover, which still leaves me with 1850 lbs of payload capacity. Now all my weights are within limits and the 6.2L pulls my trailer through the mountains at the speed limit without straining.

Grumpy Bear · August 26, 2020

59 minutes ago, AlaskaErik said:

Half tons will run out of payload capacity long before you get anywhere near that useless so-called max tow weight. While you have plenty of payload capacity, your 4.3L makes your truck a poor choice for towing. I have all the payload capacity I need plus a 6.2L beast of a motor for towing. After adding steps and a tonneau cover I now weigh 5450 lbs at the curb, but my GVWR is 7300 lbs, which still leaves me with 1850 lbs of remaining payload capacity. My GCWR is 17,800 lbs.

I don't tow. Period. Next!

wizard4878 · August 27, 2020

yes, no question. I had a 2005 before this 2019 and the only issue I had over 14 years and 190000 miles was a bad A/C compressor. I have 33000 miles on the 2019 and still no issues, so again, yes, no question...

Ultimate 2022 · August 27, 2020

20 hours ago, superhighsierra said:

As someone who exclusively owned Toyotas for the past two decades, this is a myth. What makes Toyota's better than everyone else is their simplicity in their engineering. Everything is easier to fix. But that doesn't mean that it won't break. They do have rock solid tranny's in their mid size platforms i.e. 4runner & Tacoma but beyond that they aren't going to be as maintaince free as everyone likes to think. On my 4runner I blew an alternator, broke all four power door locks, blew up an A/C compressor and obliterated all the OEM suspension i.e. ball joints, cv axels, etc. (albeit I did have a lift on it).

I went to the dealership after I totaled my last Toyota looking to buy a full-size platform but the fact is, the Tundra's are ugly AF and aren't built as solid as the 4Runner, LandCruisers & Tacomas and a LandCruiser is pushing six figures. In the end sure those vehicles that I just mentioned are going to be a slight step up in reliability and easier to fix due to the superior engineering, but it's not enough to make a rational person choose a Toyota over a GMC. My dad has had his 96' Chevy for going on 25 years now and with proper maintenance it is still a creampuff. You are going to have to replace the suspension on any vehicle every 75k miles and beyond that all the half tons on the market are built pretty solid although not sure I'd trust the electrical engineering on a Ram.

IMO I'd suggest learning how to fix & detail your truck yourself, putting on a truly quality aftermarket suspension after your 3yr/36k mile warranty is null and void and doing as much preventative maintaince as you can within reason and you will get a solid 12-15 years/150-200k miles out of any vehicle built in todays day and age.

I mean... you can take my statement as literal as you want, but there is a reason why Toyota and Lexus is always at the top of almost every reliability ratings. They just work. Yes, they may have small issues every now and then, but they don't seem to have near as many as GM. I have been to the dealership 12 times in six months with my truck, and with the latest issue, even they can't seem to figure out why there is a tick in my steering column upon acceleration.

I'm not a mechanic, so I'm not going to take you advice on fixing my BRAND NEW truck myself. I'd just make it worse, and in my opinion (and many others), you buy a new truck to have the dealership take care of these issues. I'm not sure about the suggestion on the suspension but I can't put one on until after 72k miles, because that is when my warranty is up.

All I'm saying is - Toyota does a lot right. Their management styles typically allow for the creation of a more reliable car and truck. Most of them can go 300-500k easy. I definitely think that when they reveal their new generation of Tundra (if they actually update powertrain and interior features), the big three will have to take note. I think many Ford, Dodge, and Chevy owners are tired of these small issues popping up all the time.

I do find it very funny that you think Tundras are "ugly AF" when we drive Silverados. Don't get me wrong, I love the way my Silverado looks, but it took a year for them to grow on me. They are not for everyone, and when compared to the Tundra the Tundra is definitely the conservative one. Also, to be quite honest, I still prefer the Tundra's interior over my Silverado. More high quality materials. Just hate the lack of tech.

superhighsierra · August 27, 2020

1 hour ago, 2020SilveradoCC said:

I mean... you can take my statement as literal as you want, but there is a reason why Toyota and Lexus is always at the top of almost every reliability ratings. They just work. Yes, they may have small issues every now and then, but they don't seem to have near as many as GM. I have been to the dealership 12 times in six months with my truck, and with the latest issue, even they can't seem to figure out why there is a tick in my steering column upon acceleration.

I'm not a mechanic, so I'm not going to take you advice on fixing my BRAND NEW truck myself. I'd just make it worse, and in my opinion (and many others), you buy a new truck to have the dealership take care of these issues. I'm not sure about the suggestion on the suspension but I can't put one on until after 72k miles, because that is when my warranty is up.

All I'm saying is - Toyota does a lot right. Their management styles typically allow for the creation of a more reliable car and truck. Most of them can go 300-500k easy. I definitely think that when they reveal their new generation of Tundra (if they actually update powertrain and interior features), the big three will have to take note. I think many Ford, Dodge, and Chevy owners are tired of these small issues popping up all the time.

I do find it very funny that you think Tundras are "ugly AF" when we drive Silverados. Don't get me wrong, I love the way my Silverado looks, but it took a year for them to grow on me. They are not for everyone, and when compared to the Tundra the Tundra is definitely the conservative one. Also, to be quite honest, I still prefer the Tundra's interior over my Silverado. More high quality materials. Just hate the lack of tech.

As you stated, most of the time anything that is going to go wrong with the car will pop up while it is under warranty and it is on the dealership to get the kinks out. No doubt. Not suggesting anyone work on a vehicle under warranty, but there are few things that you can't fix yourself while it is out of warranty.

I don't drive a Chevy as I fully agree that this gen of Chevy also is ugly AF albeit nowhere close to as bad as the Tundra which is why I bought a GMC. If you prefer the Tundra interior over a GM interior, it's only because you drive an LT. Hell an LT doesn't even have a center console that goes to the dash. Not sure what to tell you other than I would never buy an LT either.

I totally agree that a LT's interior is total garbage lol and that I'm not a big fan of the new Chevy frontend, especially the LT lol. Between an SLT or Denali and the Tundra Platinum or TRD Pro it's no comparison. I'd drive a Ram or a Ford before I bought a Tundra.

Edited August 27, 2020 by superhighsierra

Ultimate 2022 · August 27, 2020

29 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

As you stated, most of the time anything that is going to go wrong with the car will pop up while it is under warranty and it is on the dealership to get the kinks out. No doubt. Not suggesting anyone work on a vehicle under warranty, but there are few things that you can't fix yourself while it is out of warranty.

I don't drive a Chevy as I fully agree that this gen of Chevy also is ugly AF albeit nowhere close to as bad as the Tundra which is why I bought a GMC. If you prefer the Tundra interior over a GM interior, it's only because you drive an LT. Hell an LT doesn't even have a center console that goes to the dash. Not sure what to tell you other than I would never buy an LT either.

I totally agree that a LT's interior is total garbage lol and that I'm not a big fan of the new Chevy frontend, especially the LT lol. Between an SLT or Denali and the Tundra Platinum or TRD Pro it's no comparison. I'd drive a Ram or a Ford before I bought a Tundra.

I appreciate your opinion, but it's still not a good look on GM based on what you said. When a massive bulk of your sales come from the LT or SLE package, it is not good that their interiors aren't great. Again, you are assuming things based on what I said. I have zero need for a center console. My gripe with the interior are the seats and cheap plastics. Those two things don't change with the different trim levels. You may get a touch more soft touch plastic in an SLT, but not much. Seats don't change in an SLT, either. But you do get that center console - but I just don't need that. You can easily see that the Tundra has better seats and a more solid dash layout.

UGADawgs · August 28, 2020

On 8/25/2020 at 8:47 PM, AlaskaErik said:

No matter what they do to increase payload capacity, I seriously doubt the new Tundra will come anywhere close to the 1910 lbs of payload capacity my 2019 LTZ has.

Is your 2019 LTZ 6.2 crew cab 4wd ?

Someone else posted their payload on this forum and it was only like 1600 with the 6.2.

Maybe because you got max tow they added extra leafs and payload ?

My 19 LTZ Z71 5.3 crew cab 4WD payload is 1755:

Edited August 28, 2020 by UGADawgs

superhighsierra · August 28, 2020

23 hours ago, 2020SilveradoCC said:

I appreciate your opinion, but it's still not a good look on GM based on what you said. When a massive bulk of your sales come from the LT or SLE package, it is not good that their interiors aren't great. Again, you are assuming things based on what I said. I have zero need for a center console. My gripe with the interior are the seats and cheap plastics. Those two things don't change with the different trim levels. You may get a touch more soft touch plastic in an SLT, but not much. Seats don't change in an SLT, either. But you do get that center console - but I just don't need that. You can easily see that the Tundra has better seats and a more solid dash layout.

This...

is not a better interior than this...

When you factor in the Tundra also has a navigation and entertainment system that runs like it is from 2003 and cheap plastic all over it's not even close. That is not even touching on the dinosaur engine or the exterior styling. Trust and believe I went to the Toyota dealership wanting and ready to buy a full sized Toyota based on how much I enjoyed my 4Runner for the past 13 years, but when it comes down to I couldn't do it not to mention your money goes a lot farther elsewhere. I walked across the street and walked out the door with a fully loaded SLT for 42,500, I would have a hard time getting into a fully loaded TRD Pro Tacoma for that kind of money. Point remains that Toyota's aren't as bulletproof as their fanboys would like to think, and I'm not going to sacrifice every other aspect of the vehicle for that one iota of difference in reliability.

But make no mistake...

that that LT interior looks like utter dog$hit. In fact, that might be one of the ugliest interiors I have ever seen lol. I would be hard pressed for anyone to find a worse interior in any vehicle lol. We definitely agree on that...

Edited August 28, 2020 by superhighsierra

Ultimate 2022 · August 28, 2020

6 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

This...

is not a better interior than this...

When you factor in the Tundra also has a navigation and entertainment system that runs like it is from 2003 and cheap plastic all over it's not even close. That is not even touching on the dinosaur engine or the exterior styling. Trust and believe I went to the Toyota dealership wanting and ready to buy a full sized Toyota based on how much I enjoyed my 4Runner for the past 13 years, but when it comes down to I couldn't do it not to mention your money goes a lot farther elsewhere. I walked across the street and walked out the door with a fully loaded SLT for 42,500, I would have a hard time getting into a fully loaded TRD Pro Tacoma for that kind of money. Point remains that Toyota's aren't as bulletproof as their fanboys would like to think, and I'm not going to sacrifice every other aspect of the vehicle for that one iota of difference in reliability.

But make no mistake...

that that LT interior looks like utter dog$hit. In fact, that might be one of the ugliest interiors I have ever seen lol. I would be hard pressed for anyone to find a worse interior in any vehicle lol. We definitely agree on that...

While I do appreciate you saying my interior looks like utter dog$hit, please re-read my post. I simply said I don't need a center console, and your interior is not much different. Still hard plastic everywhere. When comparing a standard Tundra interior (I believe the SR5), I like it more than mine.... but, like I have said multiple times now, the tech and features just aren't there. So... this means that once they update, it might get intriguing. Might just be better than our dog$****** interiors.

Philipgonzales3 · August 28, 2020

33 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

This...

is not a better interior than this...

When you factor in the Tundra also has a navigation and entertainment system that runs like it is from 2003 and cheap plastic all over it's not even close. That is not even touching on the dinosaur engine or the exterior styling. Trust and believe I went to the Toyota dealership wanting and ready to buy a full sized Toyota based on how much I enjoyed my 4Runner for the past 13 years, but when it comes down to I couldn't do it not to mention your money goes a lot farther elsewhere. I walked across the street and walked out the door with a fully loaded SLT for 42,500, I would have a hard time getting into a fully loaded TRD Pro Tacoma for that kind of money. Point remains that Toyota's aren't as bulletproof as their fanboys would like to think, and I'm not going to sacrifice every other aspect of the vehicle for that one iota of difference in reliability.

But make no mistake...

that that LT interior looks like utter dog$hit. In fact, that might be one of the ugliest interiors I have ever seen lol. I would be hard pressed for anyone to find a worse interior in any vehicle lol. We definitely agree on that...

This is the LT interior from the current gen silverados. Looks the same as all the other trims except no full middle console and gold bowtie instead of black. Looks pretty much the same as your GMC interior to me...

AlaskaErik · August 28, 2020

1 hour ago, UGADawgs said:

Is your 2019 LTZ 6.2 crew cab 4wd ?

Someone else posted their payload on this forum and it was only like 1600 with the 6.2.

Maybe because you got max tow they added extra leafs and payload ?

My 19 LTZ Z71 5.3 crew cab 4WD payload is 1755:

2019 LTZ Crew Cab 4WD 6.2L Max Tow.

Ultimate 2022 · August 28, 2020

1 hour ago, Philipgonzales3 said:

This is the LT interior from the current gen silverados. Looks the same as all the other trims except no full middle console and gold bowtie instead of black. Looks pretty much the same as your GMC interior to me...

Exactly!

TNTSierra · August 28, 2020

3 hours ago, 2020SilveradoCC said:

Exactly!

I like the LT interior. A lot of soft touch material Way better than the plastic in a Tundra. The tundra has none! Plus it’s been the same since 2007 basically.

GMwill freshen the interior up for those that need it 2022. I personally like it in my HC. It’s simple and easy to use. The layout is great and interior space is way more useful than the K2. I don’t need a 12 inch screen that will have more issues down the road than Jerry Springer episode.