During the crisis

disneybaker · March 16, 2020

The cure at this point is by far worse than the disease. We’ve shut down everything, hoarded an insane amount of toilet paper and caused financial hardship and devastation to millions of Americans over 3800 cases and 80 deaths.

At some point we need to ask ourselves if this isolation strategy is even going to be effective, let alone worth the extreme trade offs it is having on our quality of life and finances. Maybe this is the right call, shutting everything down. Maybe it isn’t. I don’t know and nobody else here on the forum does either.

All I know is it’s made people absolutely insane and appears to be an unprecedented reaction to something that is nowhere near as deadly as polio, H1N1, etc.

Instead of looking back saying wonder how many lives we saved, we’ll be saying wow look how many lives we destroyed, there’s a lot of people out of work

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TheTicketTX · March 16, 2020

1 hour ago, superhighsierra said:

Research the swine flu, 60+ million Americans were infected, 12,000 Americans died. We have a long, long way until we even reach those numbers. Where was the public outcry then? It's not hard to see what is different.

This isn't like the swine flu..... More than 12,000 people will die due to COVID-19...

14 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

The cure at this point is by far worse than the disease. We’ve shut down everything, hoarded an insane amount of toilet paper and caused financial hardship and devastation to millions of Americans over 3800 cases and 80 deaths.

At some point we need to ask ourselves if this isolation strategy is even going to be effective, let alone worth the extreme trade offs it is having on our quality of life and finances. Maybe this is the right call, shutting everything down. Maybe it isn’t. I don’t know and nobody else here on the forum does either.

All I know is it’s made people absolutely insane and appears to be an unprecedented reaction to something that is nowhere near as deadly as polio, H1N1, etc.

The isolation strategy is about lessening the curve and not overloading our medical facilities.

Doolin-Dalton · March 16, 2020

7 hours ago, truck_newbie said:

Will you feel the same way if a family member of yours is in critical condition because of this and may take a turn for the worse.

I mean it's all fun and games until a family member or close friend of yours is infected and in critical condition.

PS. To clarify, no one I know is infected. I'm just making a point.

It's a great point you make. What I've come to realize, so many folks, they do not have the ability to comprehend things beyond a 2ft radius of their own small world. It's both selfish and a reflection of what makes those same folks dumb as a doorknob. The common things you'll find, they compare this to the regular flu #s and how in comparison it doesn't seem so bad (yet), jokes about toilet paper, people taking selfies at empty movie theaters (where they shouldn't be right now in the first place). Redkneck logic is funny over a beer, but it won't do you much good in a medical crisis.

This pandemic has spread across the entire globe in a few short weeks. It has infected thousands here in the US in a few short days. There is no vaccine to prevent it and no medical cure for those that do get it. Only option is to ride it out. If they're elderly, there is a very high probability they'll die from it. Those that do get sick, in about a week from now, there won't be hardly any hospital beds available, they'll sit for days in a cue waiting for medical attention, at some point hospitals will be turning folks away.

superhighsierra · March 17, 2020

1 hour ago, truck_newbie said:

Well, i'm glad you love your Sierra. I love mine too but when did the people over 80 and with preexisting conditions you mentioned become less than. When did they start being regarded as insignificant? I'm in my late twenties and i'm not worried for myself but i do have family members in the risk age group and i do not find this funny at all.

Yes, this is not as bad as the Spanish or swine flu but where do you draw the line of how many people have to die before people take it seriously? What price do you put on human life? If you know anything about disease progression, you will realize that the intent of the quarantine is to slow the rate of infection so the health care system doesn't get overwhelmed. You don't want the whole population falling ill at the same time as that will overwhelm the health care system and a lot more people will die. The economy can always bounce back but once you are dead, there is no coming back.

Maybe you are young and think this doesn't affect me so i don't care. Remember that one day you also will reach that age. If that happens and we get another pandemic that affects that age group, I hope you still find this hilarious then.

Have family in the same age group myself. Nobody is arguing that they shouldn't be practicing some form of "social distancing" or quarantine themselves based on their own free will. That would be common sense. To do otherwise would be unintelligent. But to shut down the whole country is potato. Simple as that. Lots of unintended consequences about to arise.

I'm not callus, I just don't think half of our country can look at most issues logically anymore. They would rather follow the sheep off of the politically correct deep end rather than sit back and think with a rational mind of their own.

disneybaker · March 17, 2020

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j-ten-ner · March 17, 2020

6 hours ago, KARNUT said:

...Older people can be funny. They call us sissies. They lived through much worse and didn’t lose their freedom. They can’t believe it.

A foreman of one of our crews has sent a worker to the doctor to get checked.

The rest of the crew lost it. Most of them wanted to go home and quarantine.

Pretty much the same guys who don't show up the Monday after payday or after a long weekend.

Go figure.

The worker in question is fine btw. Just an ordinary cold.

so long

j-ten-ner

KARNUT · March 17, 2020

A foreman of one of our crews has sent a worker to the doctor to get checked.
The rest of the crew lost it. Most of them wanted to go home and quarantine.
Pretty much the same guys who don't show up the Monday after payday or after a long weekend.
Go figure.
The worker in question is fine btw. Just an ordinary cold.

so long
j-ten-ner

It’s going to get worse unless they start emphasizing the recovery. The cure may be worse than the disease.

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superhighsierra · March 17, 2020

39 minutes ago, Doolin-Dalton said:

It's a great point you make. What I've come to realize, so many folks, they do not have the ability to comprehend things beyond a 2ft radius of their own small world. It's both selfish and a reflection of what makes those same folks dumb as a doorknob. The common things you'll find, they compare this to the regular flu #s and how in comparison it doesn't seem so bad (yet), jokes about toilet paper, people taking selfies at empty movie theaters (where they shouldn't be right now in the first place). Redkneck logic is funny over a beer, but it won't do you much good in a medical crisis.

This pandemic has spread across the entire globe in a few short weeks. It has infected thousands here in the US in a few short days. There is no vaccine to prevent it and no medical cure for those that do get it. Only option is to ride it out. If they're elderly, there is a very high probability they'll die from it. Those that do get sick, in about a week from now, there won't be hardly any hospital beds available, they'll sit for days in a cue waiting for medical attention, at some point hospitals will be turning folks away.

I'll try to be as gentle as possible. I'm far from a "neck" and I can almost guarantee that I am more educated than you are, but the pseudo-intellectual logic is what has put us in this predicament in the first place. Sure most people can't see the forest beyond the trees but that applies for the other side as well. "If they're elderly there is a very high probability they will die from it" is not a fact. In fact, it's a lie. If they are over the age of 70, there is less than 3% chance they could die from it. And that does not account for those who have previous health complications. Do the math. Those people would also be at a similar risk if they contracted the flu.

Again, the numbers and facts are not on your side. It's pretty black and white if you look at it from a rational point of view. 60 million contracted the swine flu in 2009. Did that overwhelm our medical infrastructure? 12,000 died. 75-80 Have died from the coronavirus as of today. The virus has been on the US mainland for over 3 weeks now and there are less than 4,000 cases confirmed. 25 of those deaths took place at one nursing home in Washington in the first week. It's not spreading as fast as originally thought. Two weeks ago we were told we were all going to die in two weeks. Two weeks later and it's a nothing-burger and now we are told it's going to get worse in the next month. LMAO. If you can't see how the goalposts are being moved not sure what to tell you.

I'll get off my soap box now but this is why our country is so divided. Half of you'll are so in your feelings that you can't take a step back to look at the unintended consequences of what all of these "policies" and "regulations" do to the last free country on earth.

Love that Sierra lol. God bless.

Edited March 17, 2020 by superhighsierra

Doolin-Dalton · March 17, 2020

5 hours ago, f8l vnm said:

But there is a vaccine for the flu , nothing for this virus yet .

People die from the Flu because they didn't thing it was that bad or didn't get the meds in time .

This is different . Not here to argue with anyone either cause im no doctor but get ready for a nation wide lockdown next .

You're right it is very different, totally agree w/you. This thing spreads like wild fire compared to the flu, and there is no way to stop it, no way to cure/treat it other than ride it out. They are estimating 40+ Million (MILLION) hospitalizations from this, which is going to wreck the hospital system. Can you imagine the impact on everything else, like folks that are already at the hospital for Birth, Heart Attacks, Broken Bones, etc...and then a massive wave of 40 MILLION COVID19 patients hitting up against that system? Going to be a mess. They'll be turning folks away from the hospitals. Estimates are 400,000 will die domestically. Hope that last part is not true, but certainly should do all we can to prevent and avoid it.

disneybaker · March 17, 2020

You're right it is very different, totally agree w/you. This thing spreads like wild fire compared to the flu, and there is no way to stop it, no way to cure/treat it other than ride it out. They are estimating 40+ Million (MILLION) hospitalizations from this, which is going to wreck the hospital system. Can you imagine the impact on everything else, like folks that are already at the hospital for Birth, Heart Attacks, Broken Bones, etc...and then a massive wave of 40 MILLION COVID19 patients hitting up against that system? Going to be a mess. They'll be turning folks away from the hospitals. Estimates are 400,000 will die domestically. Hope that last part is not true, but certainly should do all we can to prevent and avoid it.

This is a push for socialized medicine

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UGADawgs · March 17, 2020

1 hour ago, UGADawgs said:

If you prefer to watch, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts

If you prefer to read, read this:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Here is another good one:

Doolin-Dalton · March 17, 2020

2 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

I'll try to be as gentle as possible. I'm far from a "neck" and I can guarantee that I am more educated than you are, but the pseudo-intellectual logic is what has put us in this predicament in the first place. Sure most people can't see the forest beyond the trees but that applies for the other side as well. "If they're elderly there is a very high probability they will die from it" is not a fact. In fact, it's a lie. If they are over the age of 70, there is less than 3% chance they could die from it. And that is including those who already in completely compromised health who have previous health complications. Do the math. Those people would also be at a similar risk if the contracted the flu.

Again, the numbers and facts are not on your side. It's pretty black and white if you look at it from a rational point of view. 60 million contracted the swine flu in 2009. Did that overwhelm our medical infrastructure? 12,000 died. 75-80 Have died from the coronavirus as of today. The virus has been on the US mainland for over 3 weeks now and there are less than 4,000 cases confirmed. 25 of those deaths took place at one nursing home in Washington in the first week. It's not spreading as fast as originally thought. Two weeks ago we were told we were all going to die in two weeks. Two weeks later and it's a nothing-burger and now we are told it's going to get worse in the next month. LMAO. If you can't see how the goalposts are being moved not sure what to tell you.

I'll get off my soap box now but this is why our country is so divided. Half of you'll are so in your feelings that you can't take a step back to look at the unintended consequences of what all of these "policies" and "regulations" do to the last free country on earth.

Love that Sierra lol. God bless.

It's not anything about feelings, it's respect for SCIENCE. Save your comment, come back and re-read it in October, see where things played out.

KARNUT · March 17, 2020

You're right it is very different, totally agree w/you. This thing spreads like wild fire compared to the flu, and there is no way to stop it, no way to cure/treat it other than ride it out. They are estimating 40+ Million (MILLION) hospitalizations from this, which is going to wreck the hospital system. Can you imagine the impact on everything else, like folks that are already at the hospital for Birth, Heart Attacks, Broken Bones, etc...and then a massive wave of 40 MILLION COVID19 patients hitting up against that system? Going to be a mess. They'll be turning folks away from the hospitals. Estimates are 400,000 will die domestically. Hope that last part is not true, but certainly should do all we can to prevent and avoid it.

400K I’ve been watching and reading everything. CNN doesn’t even say that. If that was even close the military would already be setting up temporary hospitals.

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Doolin-Dalton · March 17, 2020

got it from the other poster, here:

TheTicketTX · March 17, 2020

13 minutes ago, disneybaker said:

This is a push for socialized medicine

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socializing medicine is not the fix.... controlling these pharmaceutical companies are. They keep jacking up the prices and making many medications just unaffordable to 60% of Americans. America being founded on capitalism, dont see this changing anytime soon.