Coronavirus

Texas Daddy · March 15, 2020

Our hospitals here were overrun with the flu last year, they had patients in hallways.

17-18 was really bad. People think the annual 50k flu deaths is made up. Its hit every single year, and people dont even get vaccinated...

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Turd Ferguson · March 15, 2020

Hopefully our grandchildren can look back at this Covid 19 event and see it as an example of when the world worked together to eradicate a global problem. I'm glad Karnut started this thread and hopefully all of us will shake any conspiracy theories and get on board to help beat this pandemic. I have attached something found circling the emails. I am cautiously suggesting it is one tool to help.
Covid-19 precautions

William U. Shipley, M.D., FACR, FASTRO Andres Soriano Professor Emeritus of Radiation Oncology, Harvard Medical School

Department of Radiation Oncology
100 Blossom Street - Cox 3
Massachusetts General Hospital
Boston, Ma. 02114 e-mail: [email protected]
Tel: 857-205-2341

Corinne Mansourian Stanford University Tennis Pro Foothills Swim and Tennis Club Pro USA National High Performance Coach 650-561-275

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.

That's fake news.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-disowns-breathing-test-claim-for-coronavirus-as-misinformation

Selo · March 15, 2020

The flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% The coronavirus is more contagious and has a mortality rate of 3.4%. That's thirty-four times the mortality rate of the flu. In addition and particularly for those older, severe cases have no treatment. It is nice at this stage to be smug and make invalid comparisons, talk conspiracies, talk politics etc etc etc, but you best get ready. This is just getting started in the US. We ain't seen nothing yet.

KARNUT · March 15, 2020

The flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% The coronavirus is more contagious and has a mortality rate of 3.4%. That's thirty-four times the mortality rate of the flu. In addition and particularly for those older, severe cases have no treatment. It is nice at this stage to be smug and make invalid comparisons, talk conspiracies, talk politics etc etc etc, but you best get ready. This is just getting started in the US. We ain't seen nothing yet.

So you tested everyone? I get the flu I don’t go to the doctor. There’s people who have it that will never report it. People get sick, some die facts of life. I’m always cautious this time of the year. Why? Because I’ve lived through a couple of these (pandemics). So instead of people being in close confines at events, they are at stores buy toilet paper. Bunching up at airports to be tested and at emergency centers. The difference between this and other pandemics, this will be way more distributive and expensive.

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Ryno12 · March 15, 2020

The flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% The coronavirus is more contagious and has a mortality rate of 3.4%. That's thirty-four times the mortality rate of the flu. In addition and particularly for those older, severe cases have no treatment. It is nice at this stage to be smug and make invalid comparisons, talk conspiracies, talk politics etc etc etc, but you best get ready. This is just getting started in the US. We ain't seen nothing yet.

You’re also making an invalid comparison on mortality rates. All “known” cases of COVID19 are being well documented. You’re using that figure as an absolute. BUT, reports are that there could be thousands (10s-100s) of undocumented cases. The symptoms are so mild to the average healthy person that they may not even realize they have/had it & discount it as just a cold/flu.
Likewise, most often, flu cases are simply not documented because people self diagnose and it doesn’t get reported. They just deal with it. That is why you see sloppy stats like “9-45 million” cases and “12,000-61,000” deaths from the CDC.

At the end of the day, the COVID19 symptoms are mild and non life threatening to most heathy people and they just recover at home. Certainly, this is a serious problem for individuals with compromised immune systems & respiratory problems. No one is denying that. The common flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, etc are also very serious to the same group.

KARNUT · March 15, 2020

I will add this is what living in fear looks like. Do you like it? This is a flu of a different name. My goodness. People can be fine with flu deaths but this is a catastrophe. I went to one of my favorite eateries last night. Usually everyone keeps to themselves. There conversation across tables about how unusual this was being treated compared to H1-N1. Of course Texans usually are realist. Oh yeah it was the usual crowd. There was more hand cleaner though. People don’t want this anymore than the flu, that’s a given.

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KARNUT · March 15, 2020

I will add, part Two. The news media should start showing people especially older ones who have recovered. I noticed fox did. That would help the sheep. It probably been figured out I’m conservative. Listen to the modern day Will Rodgers. Rush Limbaugh. He says what most realistic people are thinking. It’s the only other side to this presently.

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diyer2 · March 15, 2020

OK My 2 cents.

This does not require the over reaction it is getting IMO.

Closing public places, sports events etc.

We take chances every time we get behind the wheel of our vehicles, go for surgery etc. etc.

We always wash our hands as soon as we get home. We use the hand sanitizer's that are in a lot of places.

If I listened to the crap the so called experts spew on a daily basis I might as well lay down and die.

To panic to the point that it affects the economy is insane IMO.

SHEEP!!

j-ten-ner · March 15, 2020

Went to a grocery store yesterday and saw the empty shelves.
I was so embarrassed for the people in my community, it's not even funny.
It says that the Canadians consider themselves polite and helpful and take care of each other. What a disappointment.
That's what I thought. But wait...
When I saw the news last night, a woman said to the reporter, "Of course she would share some goods with people in need."

So that's what it's about! Now I get it.

so long

j-ten-ner

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Limelight · March 15, 2020

I’m an AGM for Costco- 30 years with the company. We have never seen anything like this.

We have NEVER run out of toilet paper and water for more than maybe 1/2 a day- for instance if there is a major snow storm. We have been seeing 1/2 hr door counts over 1000(in my store 100 would be high). Sales of well over a million/day/warehouse- in many cases 3-4 times the norm. We have been working 12+hr days just to recover the buildings. When we open, the line to come in has been around the building. The lines inside go from the registers to the dock and then down around the bulkwalls back towards the front. Some stores were forced to close the doors for 2 hours to manage the crowds. We limited most of our items to between 1 and 5/member to help stop price gouging. Some people wait in lines for 2 hours for 2 cases of water and a box of tissues...it’s just crazy. We probably won’t see normal inventory levels for 1-2 weeks.

I will say that most members seem to truly appreciate what our employees are doing and have been , for the most part, courteous and orderly. Many of our Hourly employees worked every day (voluntarily) and we are giving out OT like Halloween candy- which we never do. Managers have been pretty much living there to keep things afloat.

The sheer amount of people all packed together just seems like a breeding ground for this virus. I have diabetes and am 50 so it’s really a concern for me. I don’t get the rational for packing into a store full of people and standing directly next to them for hours. It’s just crazy.

Donstar · March 15, 2020

It is one of those situations where some won't realize the severity until it hits closer to home. The longer it takes people to get with the program, the longer it will play havoc on our economy and daily lives. It is selfish to deny the severity of this crisis and not comply and with current precautions and procedures from our respective health authorities. You may be the healthy individual able to withstand any of the symptoms but this doesn't prevent you from being a mule for the virus. I suspect all of us have loved ones not as healthy as ourselves. If you don't really care about infecting others then do it for yourself. You don't want the medical system tied up with pandemic issues should you ever need emergency help. The hoarding is a calamity, imo. It does serve to illustrate that people are taking this threat seriously but flies in the face of social distancing! I am seeing more respectful behavior than selfish behavior during these hard times and am doing what I can to avoid the virus. I am a senior and so are all of my friends. Strive to be part of the solution, not the problem is my current mantra.

txab · March 15, 2020

9 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said:

That's fake news.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-disowns-breathing-test-claim-for-coronavirus-as-misinformation

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Viral posts on social media that have also shown up in email chains falsely claim there’s a way to self-test for the coronavirus that involves holding your breath -- advice that purports to come from Stanford.

The university said Friday it has nothing to do with the bogus breathing test claim, which appeared to surface in the past week.

“Misinformation about COVID-19 symptoms and treatment falsely attributed to Stanford is circulating on social media and in email forwards,” Stanford tweeted. "It is not from Stanford."

Social media users are sharing the false post on What’s App, Twitter and Facebook, The Associated Press reported Thursday.

“Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning,” says the post, purportedly from a friend on the Stanford Hospital board. “Take a deep breath and hold it for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness, it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection.”

The post also claims if a coronavirus patient goes to the hospital too late their lungs will experience 50 percent fibrosis, a scarring of the lungs that restricts breathing. And it claims that drinking water every 15 minutes will kill the virus. Each of those claims are false.

Dr. Robert Legare Atmar, an infectious disease specialist at Baylor College of Medicine, told the AP that there is no clear evidence that coronavirus causes 50 percent pulmonary fibrosis.

Experts said the 10-second test being shared online would not be a reliable way to determine whether someone has the virus, according to the AP.

“This approach may be helpful in identifying persons with more serious lung disease,” Atmar said. "But it will not identify persons who are infected and have mild to no symptoms.”

There are many things beyond coronavirus that could lead to restricted breathing, including asthma, anxiety or heart disease, Dr. Gregory Poland, head of vaccine research at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., told the AP. All could make it difficult to hold your breath for 10 seconds, he said.

The AP also reported that the World Health Organization has continuously updated their social media platforms to debunk false claims about the coronavirus. The WHO Philippines on Feb. 7 sent a tweet knocking down the claim about drinking water to avoid getting the virus.

British citizens have been warned not to fall for the bogus breathing test advice by the United Kingdom’s Department of Health and Social Care, the Daily Telegraph reported Friday.

The department said the post wasn’t accurate and directed people to its website for official advice on the outbreak, according to the paper.

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KARNUT · March 15, 2020

I’m an AGM for Costco- 30 years with the company. We have never seen anything like this.

We have NEVER run out of toilet paper and water for more than maybe 1/2 a day- for instance if there is a major snow storm. We have been seeing 1/2 hr door counts over 1000(in my store 100 would be high). Sales of well over a million/day/warehouse- in many cases 3-4 times the norm. We have been working 12+hr days just to recover the buildings. When we open, the line to come in has been around the building. The lines inside go from the registers to the dock and then down around the bulkwalls back towards the front. Some stores were forced to close the doors for 2 hours to manage the crowds. We limited most of our items to between 1 and 5/member to help stop price gouging. Some people wait in lines for 2 hours for 2 cases of water and a box of tissues...it’s just crazy. We probably won’t see normal inventory levels for 1-2 weeks.

I will say that most members seem to truly appreciate what our employees are doing and have been , for the most part, courteous and orderly. Many of our Hourly employees worked every day (voluntarily) and we are giving out OT like Halloween candy- which we never do. Managers have been pretty much living there to keep things afloat.
The sheer amount of people all packed together just seems like a breeding ground for this virus. I have diabetes and am 50 so it’s really a concern for me. I don’t get the rational for packing into a store full of people and standing directly next to them for hours. It’s just crazy.

Like I said earlier. Instead of enjoying themselves at a sports venue or another event an possible getting something. Their inline at a store panicking. Nothing changes just the place.

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Donstar · March 15, 2020

9 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said:

5 minutes ago, txab said:

That's fake news.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-disowns-breathing-test-claim-for-coronavirus-as-misinformation

Thanks, hence my caution in my comment. I was skeptical.

KARNUT · March 15, 2020

It is one of those situations where some won't realize the severity until it hits closer to home. The longer it takes people to get with the program, the longer it will play havoc on our economy and daily lives. It is selfish to deny the severity of this crisis and not comply and with current precautions and procedures from our respective health authorities. You may be the healthy individual able to withstand any of the symptoms but this doesn't prevent you from being a mule for the virus. I suspect all of us have loved ones not as healthy as ourselves. If you don't really care about infecting others then do it for yourself. You don't want the medical system tied up with pandemic issues should you ever need emergency help. The hoarding is a calamity, imo. It does serve to illustrate that people are taking this threat seriously but flies in the face of social distancing! I am seeing more respectful behavior than selfish behavior during these hard times and am doing what I can to avoid the virus. I am a senior and so are all of my friends. Strive to be part of the solution, not the problem is my current mantra.

I’m a senior, I have asthma and high blood pressure. This is my most painful time of year. I take an Advil and mow my lawn. Unless the can completely get rid of it like polio it’s going to spread. It will take longer this way. Until possibly heat beats it back, like all other flu. Quarantine the venerable like you should every year. This type of stuff usually hits just after the holidays, wonder why? Maybe we should skip the holidays. Growing up that’s we all got colds and viruses.

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