Coronavirus

Grumpy Bear · July 29, 2020

36 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

I don’t know what you’re bitching about anyway. Save for whatever Trump says, Fauci has been operating with impunity. And he continues to influence every single public policy created for this virus. He’s basically king. Unelected, unaccountable and any dissent from his point of view gets deleted from the internet.

By whom?

Maybe I didn't read this right. Are you saying Dr. Fauci has the power to censor then Internet? That's REALLY powerful.

Even the president hasn't been able to do that.

Anthony Stephen Fauci is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984.

From his WIKI page:

Fauci has made important scientific observations that contributed to the understanding of regulation of the human immune response, and is recognized for delineating the mechanisms whereby immunosuppressive agents adapt to that response. He developed therapies for formerly fatal diseases such as polyarteritis nodosa, granulomatosis with polyangiitis, and lymphomatoid granulomatosis. In a 1985 Stanford University Arthritis Center Survey of the American Rheumatism Association, membership ranked Fauci's work on the treatment of polyarteritis nodosa and granulomatosis with polyangiitis as one of the most important advances in patient management in rheumatology over the previous 20 years.

Fauci has contributed to the understanding of how HIV destroys the body's defenses leading to the progression to AIDS. He has outlined the mechanisms of induction of HIV expression by endogenous cytokines.[17] Fauci has worked to develop strategies for the therapy and immune reconstitution of patients with the disease, as well as for a vaccine to prevent HIV infection. His current research is concentrated on identifying the nature of the immunopathogenic mechanisms of HIV infection and the scope of the body's immune responses to HIV.

In 2003, the Institute for Scientific Information stated that from 1983 to 2002, "Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals.”[5] As a government scientist under six presidents, Fauci has been described as "a consistent spokesperson for science, a person who more than any other figure has brokered a generational peace" between the two worlds of science and politics.[9]

If you read all of this I ask...who is going to fact check him? He's the guy experts go to.

Six Presidents of both parties almost equally divided by number of years.

Attacking this guys cred's? Seems a bit a a straw grab by people who hope no one fact checks them. Just say'n.

OnTheReel · July 29, 2020

Just now, Grumpy Bear said:

By whom?

If you read all of this I ask...who is going to fact check him? He's the guy experts go to.

Six Presidents of both parties almost equally divided by number of years.

Attacking this guys cred's? Seems a bit a a straw grab by people who hope no one fact checks them. Just say'n.

Other doctors made a presentation with their experiences about treating COVID-19. The video was viewed 20 million times before YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Vimeo pulled it down. This is not the first instance of this happening. Now no, Fauci didn’t remove it himself, but at points the doctors in the video disagreed with Fauci, and low and behold, the powers that be removed it.

Is that the definition of science and medicine now? Only allowing one point of view (his) as it pertains to a fairly new virus?

And having every other hand selected “expert” going through the mouthpiece of ONE PERSON rather than attempting their own research? That sound smart to you?!? Scientific??? To me it sounds lazy. Sounds like a single point of failure and a quick way to get absolutely nothing done.

Fauci for all of his credentials is not infallible and should not be the only person allowed to weigh-in on life changing policy and health decisions.

I cannot believe the complete lack of curiosity coming from people I know to be intelligent.

Grumpy Bear · July 29, 2020

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

Other doctors made a presentation with their experiences about treating COVID-19. The video was viewed 20 million times before YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Vimeo pulled it down. This is not the first instance of this happening. Now no, Fauci didn’t remove it himself, but at points the doctors in the video disagreed with Fauci, and low and behold, the powers that be removed it.

Is that the definition of science and medicine now? Only allowing one point of view (his) as it pertains to a fairly new virus?

And having every other hand selected “expert” going through the mouthpiece of ONE PERSON rather than attempting their own research? That sound smart to you?!? Scientific??? To me it sounds lazy. Sounds like a single point of failure and a quick way to get absolutely nothing done.

Fauci for all of his credentials is not infallible and should not be the only person allowed to weigh-in on life changing policy and health decisions.

I cannot believe the complete lack of curiosity coming from people I know to be intelligent.

I offer that science doesn't have a viewpoint. Only 13 people on the planet had a higher peer review than Fauci out of 2.5 to 3 MILLION published scientist and researchers. No one has cured more of the incurable.

Genesis 1:1 says. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

Who would you suggest I get to fact check God?

Fauci is not God, but he is the closest thing we have to a pure authority on viruses. You know who I haven't heard disagree with him? Any one of the 13 more published Scholars. Who has disagreed with him are those who don't even understand the science but who have political or monetary skin in the game. Forum experts and allot of scared people.

KARNUT · July 30, 2020

Other doctors made a presentation with their experiences about treating COVID-19. The video was viewed 20 million times before YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Vimeo pulled it down. This is not the first instance of this happening. Now no, Fauci didn’t remove it himself, but at points the doctors in the video disagreed with Fauci, and low and behold, the powers that be removed it.

Is that the definition of science and medicine now? Only allowing one point of view (his) as it pertains to a fairly new virus?

And having every other hand selected “expert” going through the mouthpiece of ONE PERSON rather than attempting their own research? That sound smart to you?!? Scientific??? To me it sounds lazy. Sounds like a single point of failure and a quick way to get absolutely nothing done.

Fauci for all of his credentials is not infallible and should not be the only person allowed to weigh-in on life changing policy and health decisions.

I cannot believe the complete lack of curiosity coming from people I know to be intelligent.

The doctor said you didn’t need a mask until he said you did. They call it a practice for a reason. It’s what it is until it isn’t. He also said Cuomo did it right, really? Tell that to the older folks in rest homes.

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OnTheReel · July 30, 2020

9 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

I offer that science doesn't have a viewpoint. Only 13 people on the planet had a higher peer review than Fauci out of 2.5 to 3 MILLION published scientist and researchers. No one has cured more of the incurable.

Genesis 1:1 says. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

Who would you suggest I get to fact check God?

Fauci is not God, but he is the closest thing we have to a pure authority on viruses. You know who I haven't heard disagree with him? Any one of the 13 more published Scholars. Who has disagreed with him are those who don't even understand the science but who have political or monetary skin in the game. Forum experts and allot of scared people.

Really? So this guy here, you’re claiming he’s a right winger? A professor from Yale? Really? Or are you claiming he has money to be made from promoting a treatment that costs like a buck per dose? Or are you claiming he’s not a scientist even though he’s actually more accredited than Fauci (both an MD and PHD).

https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/harvey_risch/

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

This article has gotten no traction at all. And it’s not because of the credibility of the info or the sources.

I wonder who has actually been propped up and used as a political tool? Fauci, because he’s at odds with Trump.

And is it entirely unbelievable that saint Fauci might also be in the back pocket of pharmaceutical companies too? That he might have a reason for brushing off a treatment that’s almost free in favor of a big bucks vaccine?

Thejet07 · July 30, 2020

Let’s not forget cnn let an article out saying the drug works. Was that article taken down by all the lib media? The moment it looks like trump did it, poof like a fart in the wind. Ohio just told pharmacies not allowed to give it to patients for covid. Sounding more and more like this drug is the real deal. Btw, George soros to your question above. Let’s not forget about Epstein and maxwell and who has the ball in their court now and think about what’s going on.

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Thejet07 · July 30, 2020

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7330574/

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Looks promising to me

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Grumpy Bear · July 30, 2020

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

Really? So this guy here, you’re claiming he’s a right winger? A professor from Yale? Really? Or are you claiming he has money to be made from promoting a treatment that costs like a buck per dose? Or are you claiming he’s not a scientist even though he’s actually more accredited than Fauci (both an MD and PHD).

https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/harvey_risch/

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

This article has gotten no traction at all. And it’s not because of the credibility of the info or the sources.

I wonder who has actually been propped up and used as a political tool? Fauci, because he’s at odds with Trump.

And is it entirely unbelievable that saint Fauci might also be in the back pocket of pharmaceutical companies too? That he might have a reason for brushing off a treatment that’s almost free in favor of a big bucks vaccine?

Straight off the deep end eh? Tell me please where I made any claim about anybodies poly-tics or bias....you can't and no one else can either. You can put words in my mouth and even lie about me but.....you can't make what has not happened true. WT :wtf:

Your having a heart attack in a restaurant and someone yells, "Is there a doctor in the house". You can't, you have a fish bone caught in your throat. Fauci is a the next table and as he leaves his chair to help you you pull out a pen and paper and write... Are you making any money in your practice or from your ideas and what are your poly-tics cause if I don't like them you can just let me choke to death. Really?

Forget about it....the house is on fire and he's a fireman. Darn good one. Who cares what church he goes to, what party he supports or what nationality he is. How much the city pays him. Lord man, let him put out the fire then you can pee down his leg. Some others tell you what they think they can do....he's proven what he CAN do.

Your not going to drag me into a political debate....period....Read me?

OnTheReel · July 30, 2020

15 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Straight off the deep end eh? Tell me please where I made any claim about anybodies poly-tics or bias....you can't and no one else can either. You can put words in my mouth and even lie about me but.....you can't make what has not happened true. WT

Your having a heart attack in a restaurant and someone yells, "Is there a doctor in the house". You can't, you have a fish bone caught in your throat. Fauci is a the next table and as he leaves his chair to help you you pull out a pen and paper and write... Are you making any money in your practice or from your ideas and what are your poly-tics cause if I don't like them you can just let me choke to death. Really?

Forget about it....the house is on fire and he's a fireman. Darn good one. Who cares what church he goes to, what party he supports or what nationality he is. How much the city pays him. Lord man, let him put out the fire then you can pee down his leg. Some others tell you what they think they can do....he's proven what he CAN do.

Your not going to drag me into a political debate....period....Read me?

“Who has disagreed with him are those who don't even understand the science but who have political or monetary skin in the game. Forum experts and allot of scared people.“

Those are your words. I took it as you attempting argue everyone who disagrees with Fauci falls into one of those groups and there’s no other reason to question him. So I presented someone VERY well respected and of great credentials who disagrees with Fauci. Dr. Risch does NOT have apparent political or financial motivations, does have an understanding of science (325~ scientific journals), and is not a forum expert. He doesn’t fit into your box and makes a very good case for hydroxychloroquine.

It’s unfortunate but we can’t have the conversation without getting political. Fauci is being used as a political tool. He’s high profile and well respected, but also remember where he comes from. The swamp. People in Washington are not retained or promoted based on their knowledge or capabilities. If you don’t believe that, look no further than Biden getting the Dem nom.

I’m not saying he’s a know-nothing, but Fauci is being placed on a higher pedestal than the results of his efforts should allow. And the only reason this is happening is because he publicly butts heads with Trump. In the meantime, a potential cure is getting pushed aside in the name of this political theatre.

Thejet07 · July 30, 2020

Ok, so for those here that follow and agree with Dr. Fauci’s advise, do you think hydroxycholoroquine should not be used for covid? Also, do you feel it’s right that the media is taking down the videos/articles etc ? Do you think all these other studies are lies? Do you not thinks it’s political?

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Grumpy Bear · July 30, 2020

58 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

“Who has disagreed with him are those who don't even understand the science but who have political or monetary skin in the game. Forum experts and allot of scared people.“

Those are your words. I took it as you attempting argue everyone who disagrees with Fauci falls into one of those groups and there’s no other reason to question him. So I presented someone VERY well respected and of great credentials who disagrees with Fauci. Dr. Risch does NOT have apparent political or financial motivations, does have an understanding of science (325~ scientific journals), and is not a forum expert. He doesn’t fit into your box and makes a very good case for hydroxychloroquine.

It’s unfortunate but we can’t have the conversation without getting political. Fauci is being used as a political tool. He’s high profile and well respected, but also remember where he comes from. The swamp. People in Washington are not retained or promoted based on their knowledge or capabilities. If you don’t believe that, look no further than Biden getting the Dem nom.

I’m not saying he’s a know-nothing, but Fauci is being placed on a higher pedestal than the results of his efforts should allow. And the only reason this is happening is because he publicly butts heads with Trump. In the meantime, a potential cure is getting pushed aside in the name of this political theatre.

Actually it's unfortunate that you can't have this conversation with out getting political. I'm doing just fine without it. Let's me see the science. Could that be useful during a pandemic?

Now there's some word craft. I'll give ya that. My words were a bit more literal. You, for example, not only disagree with Fauci but agree with Risch which implies you personally have the expertise to know the difference. Interesting. Let me see if I can example this.

You say, quote: Fauci is being placed on a higher pedestal than the results of his efforts should allow.

So you discredit his achievements! WIKI quote: He developed therapies for formerly fatal diseases such as polyarteritis nodosa, granulomatosis with polyangiitis, and lymphomatoid granulomatosis". Then you consider yourself expert enough to set the bar for what is enough 'effort' to deserve that pedestal. I counted five incurables to effective treatments to his credit and he still can't make the cut??? And Risch? What has he done that puts him on that pedestal? That he agrees with your bias? Politics?...Bet it's more guttural. Your needs.

Sorry, I did not know I stood in the shadow of such profound greatness. You seem to have expertise and insight into human nature, science and intimate knowledge of each players personal motives. I am impressed!

How could I ague with that. I beg your pardon and my leave. Good night to you. Finish that Olds. I need a 60's power fix.

OnTheReel · July 30, 2020

Yeah, I think I’m finished leading these horses to water. They only turn around and piss in it.

Look forward to seeing the responses shortly after the election when hydroxychloroquine magically becomes a widely accepted therapeutic for COVID-19. Maybe some folks will chose to stand in solidarity with Fauci and decline being treated with it. After all, he’s never led anyone astray before.

Thejet07 · July 30, 2020

Wonder how many people he killed by telling them to not wear masks?

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BigBlueLB756 · July 30, 2020

I still contend that folks look better wearing masks, but I'm beginning to hear "Lying Eyes" playing in the background.

Turn it up!

KARNUT · July 30, 2020

I’m fine wearing mask. If for no other reason it reminds you to be aware of other practices to be safe. The only concern for me is I read that constantly wearing one could cause respiratory problems. Now following the covid model if more than a few people could have a problem then they should be outlawed. And our life should be completely turned upside down.

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