Coronavirus

The Zip · July 6, 2020

12 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

My gut feeling is that we'll return full time in the beginning, but there is a real possibility that we'll do online learning once flu season starts. Most teachers I have talked to want to return full time knowing that online learning isn't beneficial to students. We know the risks and will support the teachers that shouldn't return because of their underlying health conditions.

When too many infected kids or educators go down, the school system will be right back where we are, online learning. Why not refine that process instead of possibly losing time and money having to restart?

11 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Curious thought that children live in a bubble that protects others from their infections don't you think?

That bubble is about to burst.

The Zip · July 6, 2020

5 hours ago, swathdiver said:

Death by politics.

Most of the early deaths unfortunately can be attributed to politics. With the varying messages, took me a few months to find my legs. There's really nothing else I need to read or hear. Pretty much set in my ways now that it's spreading again.

I'll wear a mask or I don't. I'll get sick or I won't. I'll recover or I die.

Ironically, wearing a mask doesn't mean I won't get sick. It means the chances increase the next fella won't.

swathdiver · July 6, 2020

It's beyond stupid to keep the schools closed when you do the numbers. Let the elderly and infirm work/learn from home.

Edited July 6, 2020 by swathdiver

Ithan Henry · July 6, 2020

2 hours ago, The Zip said:

When too many infected kids or educators go down, the school system will be right back where we are, online learning. Why not refine that process instead of possibly losing time and money having to restart?

That bubble is about to burst.

The process of refining such a system would take at least 2 years of training, redesigning our logistics, and millions of dollars to create a new infrastructure capable of supporting it. We're losing $1.5 million in state funding this year alone which is making us scrounge for the necessary funding just to get us in a better place than we were last year. We overtaxed our online learning platform last year which created numerous problems. There were students without access to computers or the internet. We were problem solving on the fly. And this was just in my district. Statewide would cost hundreds of millions if not more to create a viable infrastructure.

We also have to consider the fact that most of our families don't have anyone home during the day to monitor the children. My wife and I, both being teachers, are scrambling to get one of our parents to possibly watch our son if we do a partial opening. There are so many factors that play into this it's mind numbing.

Honestly, we could easily do it in NJ if we weren't contributing so much of our federal taxes to other states. I already posted a link about federal funding so I won't go any further back into that.

Ithan Henry · July 6, 2020

56 minutes ago, swathdiver said:

It's beyond stupid to keep the schools closed when you do the numbers. Let the elderly and infirm work/learn from home.

The problem isn't that students are high risk. It's that they're carriers. Which means that their families and teachers which make up the older population are now at risk. It's not a simple solution when you factor in who they're in contact with daily.

Ithan Henry · July 6, 2020

One good thing I was reading is that the virus has started mutating to a version that is less deadly but transmitted faster. So hopefully less serious but expect more cases.

I should probably note that this good news came from CNN, so it's probably totally biased and fake news.

Donstar · July 6, 2020

2 hours ago, The Zip said:

Ironically, wearing a mask doesn't mean I won't get sick. It means the chances increase the next fella won't.

This is the widely accepted understanding. Wearing a mask is a selfless act and requires minimal effort for most people. I always wear a mask when I am about to enter a situation where maintaining social distance will be difficult. Non-surgical masks are readily available and plentiful. I wear a mask for the protection of others. Thankfully, people in my area (including politicians) are doing the same which protects me!

Grumpy Bear · July 6, 2020

20 minutes ago, Donstar said:

This is the widely accepted understanding. Wearing a mask is a selfless act and requires minimal effort for most people. I always wear a mask when I am about to enter a situation where maintaining social distance will be difficult. Non-surgical masks are readily available and plentiful. I wear a mask for the protection of others. Thankfully, people in my area (including politicians) are doing the same which protects me!

This is my understanding as well. Sadly in my area the love for fellow man suffers greatly. Often I and the wife are the only ones wearing a mask and catching the looks. I don't mind and neither does she.

54 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

The problem isn't that students are high risk. It's that they're carriers. Which means that their families and teachers which make up the older population are now at risk. It's not a simple solution when you factor in who they're in contact with daily.

To quote another, "Bingo".

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txab · July 6, 2020

1 hour ago, Ithan Henry said:

One good thing I was reading is that the virus has started mutating to a version that is less deadly but transmitted faster. So hopefully less serious but expect more cases.

I should probably note that this good news came from CNN, so it's probably totally biased and fake news.

15 minutes from now someone else will produce a study saying just the opposite. That's been one of the issues throughout this. The info keeps changing and the public loses faith in information. Like the boy who cried "wolf". Only now that the numbers are climbing again, hopefully what needs to be done will finally set in with these people.

What a shock, many of our protestors are sick now and of course they've already spread it to their families. That's where a huge portion of our double digit numbers are coming from. Couple that with Memorial Day weekend get-togethers

TV interviewed some dick on TV over the weekend, his quote...."if I catch it, I'll get over it". He's participating in a huge drinking party out at the lake, where no one in sight is wearing a mask nor distancing. In fact their were plenty of bodily fluids being exchanged. :lol:

Ithan Henry · July 6, 2020

38 minutes ago, txab said:

TV interviewed some dick on TV over the weekend, his quote...."if I catch it, I'll get over it". He's participating in a huge drinking party out at the lake, where no one in sight is wearing a mask nor distancing. In fact their were plenty of bodily fluids being exchanged.

It's people like this that ruin it for the rest of us. Just wear a damn mask so we can continue towards normal. Doctors and nurses wear them to protect their patients, why can't we do it to protect each other? Oh wait, I forgot it hinders our freedom. I'm just gonna sit over here and shake my head in disbelief.

The Zip · July 6, 2020

4 hours ago, swathdiver said:

It's beyond stupid to keep the schools closed when you do the numbers. Let the elderly and infirm work/learn from home.

Although I still look at them, I'm desensitized with individual graphs and statistics. The back and forth distorted my view. The only info that interest me today is if for some inadvertent reason FOX, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc, link satellites and transmit the same news at the same time. For example, cases are increasing. Then, that's probably believable.

The Zip · July 6, 2020

3 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

The process of refining such a system would take at least 2 years of training, redesigning our logistics, and millions of dollars to create a new infrastructure capable of supporting it. We're losing $1.5 million in state funding this year alone which is making us scrounge for the necessary funding just to get us in a better place than we were last year. We overtaxed our online learning platform last year which created numerous problems. There were students without access to computers or the internet. We were problem solving on the fly. And this was just in my district. Statewide would cost hundreds of millions if not more to create a viable infrastructure.

Totally tracking, just needed a subject matter expert to articulate. This is probably a nationwide rule versus the exception.

3 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

The problem isn't that students are high risk. It's that they're carriers. Which means that their families and teachers which make up the older population are now at risk. It's not a simple solution when you factor in who they're in contact with daily.

I'm not an optimist or pessimist, I'm a realist. I don't see the storybook ending with kids going back to school. My hat's off to you, your wife, and all the educators.

Thejet07 · July 6, 2020

I thought they said asymptomatic transmission is nil

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Grumpy Bear · July 7, 2020

5 hours ago, txab said:

15 minutes from now someone else will produce a study saying just the opposite. That's been one of the issues throughout this. The info keeps changing and the public loses faith in information. Like the boy who cried "wolf". Only now that the numbers are climbing again, hopefully what needs to be done will finally set in with these people.

What a shock, many of our protestors are sick now and of course they've already spread it to their families. That's where a huge portion of our double digit numbers are coming from. Couple that with Memorial Day weekend get-togethers

TV interviewed some dick on TV over the weekend, his quote...."if I catch it, I'll get over it". He's participating in a huge drinking party out at the lake, where no one in sight is wearing a mask nor distancing. In fact their were plenty of bodily fluids being exchanged.

That's the problem with liars. Then it becomes everyone's problem.

swathdiver · July 7, 2020

7 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

The problem isn't that students are high risk. It's that they're carriers. Which means that their families and teachers which make up the older population are now at risk. It's not a simple solution when you factor in who they're in contact with daily.

Well, the parents of school age children aren't usually that old! But my caveat stands, the old and infirm should isolate themselves until the risk to them has abated.