Coronavirus

KARNUT · May 14, 2020

The sad truth is Como had plenty of other places to put them. Curtesy of the federal government. They were left mostly unused. I have a feeling this thread will soon be shut down mainly do to name calling. I will add simply going on line to check out the Sweden model you will find arguments going both ways on their results. Reasonably add the effects of our total shut down to the mix and death, hunger, increase drug use, divorces etc. Ever increasing unemployment not with standing. I will always error on the side of good old fashion America resolve willingness to be free. Then the socialists tendencies the name calling screamers push. Some governors seemed to want to continue lock down in areas of their state with very little virus. People try to open their business and get thrown in jail or license revoked. For their own good they exclaim. Knowing full well that’s the final nail in the business coffin. Venezuela anyone? I don’t lie, I research. No ones ever said that to my face for obvious reasons. I can agree to disagree. That’s why I’ve been married going on 46 years. One size doesn’t fit all. We all would be driving Fords.

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KARNUT · May 14, 2020

A flat out lie. Per capita is apple to apples and Sweden's death per capita are higher.
It didn't work.

Your getting this idea that you can manufacture the truth with an 'I say so'.

Wow!!

I didn’t realize I answered your post a mistake I wouldn’t repeat.

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JimCost2014 · May 14, 2020

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I didn’t realize I answered your post a mistake I wouldn’t repeat.

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Grumpy Bear · May 14, 2020

Last night the program NOVA on PBS ran a show called. "Decoding COVID-19"

If there is something more to add than that show revealed I'm sure I won't find it here in this thread.

You all have fun fixing the world. I'm sure you believe you have all the answers.

The Zip · May 14, 2020

You can forget about any more science being thrown into this equation after Fauci and another scientist spoke to congress. Don't know if there is any more impact scientist can play in this scenario, at least in the US. Folks in Wisconsin in the bar is a testament to that. I give workers a free pass, but folks in a bar just drinking shows science in that area is over.

It's not going to matter if by disregarding their safety causes them to die, it's only going to matter to those left behind to take care of whatever. If folks in that bar have loved ones, this is an extremely selfish act.

swathdiver · May 14, 2020

11 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Job? David? Both flawed men and yet integrity keepers both.

The difference is that those men knew and feared God. The liberal does not fear God, the god of the liberal is their belly.

The virus is over, we're resuming our lives and going back to work. Leftists can keep lying and scaring people to topple the President. The leftist response to this viral attack was always about power and control.

Edited May 14, 2020 by swathdiver

Donstar · May 14, 2020

13 minutes ago, swathdiver said:

The virus is over, .

How did you come to this conclusion? There has been no cure or change in the way this virus spreads. It has slowed down in many areas because we have drastically changed our behaviors. If we go back to our previous ways, so will the virus. Businesses in my area are slowly opening back up but only if strict social distancing and cleanliness protocols can be met. I understand that this topic provides fodder for political debate but the virus is very real and it is not over. I am not looking for a debate but asking that you verify the information that leads you to believe that the threat is over.

JimCost2014 · May 15, 2020

Since we have now brought Religion into play, I will bring in the Alice in Chains lyric that I think is quite fitting:

Time to change has come and gone
Watched your fears become your God
It's your decision

Edited May 15, 2020 by JimCost2014

Grumpy Bear · May 15, 2020

20 minutes ago, JimCost2014 said:

Since we have now brought Religion into play, I will bring in the Alice in Chains lyric that I think is quite fitting:

Time to change has come and gone
Watched your fears become your God
It's your decision

You can make anything your god and many do. Whatever your render sacred service. Whatever you idolize. Whatever is most important in your life. IF that is fear...then right you are.

But can fear create a universe? A human? Can money or fame? Can a lyric in a song? All things people treat as gods.

"Every house has a builder but he that created all things is God." Hebrews 3:4

Religion: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

Is fear of supreme importance? Money perhaps?

JimCost2014 · May 15, 2020

13 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

You can make anything your god and many do. Whatever your render sacred service. Whatever you idolize. Whatever is most important in your life. IF that is fear...then right you are.

But can fear create a universe? A human? Can money or fame? Can a lyric in a song? All things people treat as gods.

"Every house has a builder but he that created all things is God." Hebrews 3:4

Religion: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

Is fear of supreme importance? Money perhaps?

Perception goes a long way in life, you see words, and you perceive them to a meaning that makes you comfortable.

Some are religious, some are not, some are innocent, some are not, but it seems the one with the most to say can not always be trusted.

IMO the "book" was written by a man, like lots of others, my feelings, you can share yours, but I know how I perceive things in life, not trying to upset you, but just my feelings....

Grumpy Bear · May 15, 2020

24 minutes ago, JimCost2014 said:

Perception goes a long way in life, you see words, and you perceive them to a meaning that makes you comfortable.

Some are religious, some are not, some are innocent, some are not, but it seems the one with the most to say can not always be trusted.

IMO the "book" was written by a man, like lots of others, my feelings, you can share yours, but I know how I perceive things in life, not trying to upset you, but just my feelings....

Your feelings are yours. Why would they upset me? "Faith is not the possession of all men". In fact, for a person to acquire faith he must have the will to believe.

Heb 11:6 notes a common sense logic about it. "Moreover, without faith it is impossible to please God well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.

Just a few versus earlier, verse 1, he, (Paul) defines faith. "Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.

Many religions teach faith is a blind thing. Evidently not. It's assured by demonstration. Sort of the purpose of a Bible. It's historical accuracy can be fact checked easy enough.

Personally, I believe that a being powerful enough to create all that is known wouldn't have much of a problem having a book written to tell us about himself and his purposes.

God doesn't force anyone to believe in him, have faith in him or listen to him. Fact is he created us with free will. How could it upset me for you to make a choice your creator gave you alone to make? Wouldn't doing so say I don't think God knows what he's doing?

Now...I have water coming in the basement. One pitchfork and hammer handle storm we are in the middle of. Later

swathdiver · May 15, 2020

2 hours ago, JimCost2014 said:

IMO the "book" was written by a man, like lots of others, my feelings, you can share yours, but I know how I perceive things in life, not trying to upset you, but just my feelings....

That's your opinion but it is not true. I reckon that you've never made the time to investigate this. Not a dig, most people haven't.

"...holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

The bible consists of 66 smaller books in perfect harmony, written over the course of about 1,600 years by about 40 men under the inspiration of God. It is perfect and without error.

In trying to disprove the bible and the existence of God, I became a Christian. I could not refute, or really ignore, the evidences any longer.

davester · May 15, 2020

So, which "Bible" did you prove to yourself to be "perfect and without error"? There's the original text, written in a variety of languages, then there are a variety of translations of those texts into other languages, and then some translations of those translations.

And I'll just give you the bits that involve predictions of what happens in the future.

swathdiver · May 15, 2020

10 hours ago, Donstar said:

How did you come to this conclusion? There has been no cure or change in the way this virus spreads. It has slowed down in many areas because we have drastically changed our behaviors. If we go back to our previous ways, so will the virus. Businesses in my area are slowly opening back up but only if strict social distancing and cleanliness protocols can be met. I understand that this topic provides fodder for political debate but the virus is very real and it is not over. I am not looking for a debate but asking that you verify the information that leads you to believe that the threat is over.

There are few if any cures for viruses, including the previous COVIDs. Yes, it's still out there and the data shows that many more thousands of people are being tested and tested again each day compared to two weeks and six weeks and 2 months ago and each day there are fewer and fewer positive cases reported across the country. We know that the old and infirm have a higher death rate, so they should take care not to get it. The precautions being taken currently in many locales are not warranted based on the science.

For example, my county has a population of 313,400 people. As of today we've had a total of 292 people infected and 26 died. That's an infection rate of .09% and a death rate of .01% based on the population. 8.9% of those who got it died. Most of those were over a month ago, don't think we've had a death in 4 or 5 weeks, before the doctor's knew that 3 drug cocktail stops it in its tracks if caught before a person is put on a ventilator. Don't know the average age for my county of those who died but the average age of those infected is 56.

In my state as a whole, daily numbers of deaths have been falling, again, because doctor's know what to treat the patients with now to defeat it. Since the 8th, only about 100 people have died from it and we know the average age of those who died is 75 and most, if not all of these folks had other underlying problems that hastened their demise.

I don't want to live in a country that lives in fear, people afraid to interact with one another, walking around with gloves and masks is insane in the membrane. It's time to go back to work.

swathdiver · May 15, 2020

10 minutes ago, davester said:

So, which "Bible" did you prove to yourself to be "perfect and without error"? There's the original text, written in a variety of languages, then there are a variety of translations of those texts into other languages, and then some translations of those translations.

And I'll just give you the bits that involve predictions of what happens in the future.

The line of manuscripts which came out of the church in Antioch, Syria, which includes the Masoretic Text and which became the Received Text. God's Word today is preserved in the English in the King James Bible. The Masoretic Text was quoted by Christ and the Apostles and all have a long chain of custody or provenance.