Engine Oil brand

OnTheReel · December 21, 2019

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/26479/ExxonMobil-General-Motors-network

Safe to say that the factory fill, dealer oil changes, and the AC Delco quarts & gallons are all manufactured by ExxonMobil.

Sure, I bet they were the lowest bidder too. Doesn’t mean it’s bad oil. They are one of the largest oil companies in the world, and Mobil products have been at or near the top of the food chain in synthetic oil forever!

At any rate, practically speaking, there is such a thing as “good enough” in a motor oil, and it’s what the manufacturer specifies at the intervals they determine. If you want go above good enough...fine. But unfortunately for the people arguing for it...there is no quantifiable evidence showing any real world benefit in spending double on Amsoil’s top line product, in a normal passenger vehicle that sees little to no severe duty, and then still dumping it at a ludicrously short interval. That is, no benefit to anyone besides the people making and selling their oil.

TXGREEK · December 22, 2019

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/26479/ExxonMobil-General-Motors-network

Safe to say that the factory fill, dealer oil changes, and the AC Delco quarts & gallons are all manufactured by ExxonMobil.

Sure, I bet they were the lowest bidder too. Doesn’t mean it’s bad oil. They are one of the largest oil companies in the world, and Mobil products have been at or near the top of the food chain in synthetic oil forever!

At any rate, practically speaking, there is such a thing as “good enough” in a motor oil, and it’s what the manufacturer specifies at the intervals they determine. If you want go above good enough...fine. But unfortunately for the people arguing for it...there is no quantifiable evidence showing any real world benefit in spending double on Amsoil’s top line product, in a normal passenger vehicle that sees little to no severe duty, and then still dumping it at a ludicrously short interval. That is, no benefit to anyone besides the people making and selling their oil.

There’s no evidence? How would anyone know their breakdown was caused by using basic minimum required specs oil? 100% answer to this is that I’ve never heard of anyone having any engine failures while having a history of running Amsoil, have you?

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TXGREEK · December 22, 2019

True story about a guy that changed his engine oil, drove 2k miles and realized he forgot to put his oil cap back on.

https://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/articles/amsoil-saves-engine-running-without-oil/

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OnTheReel · December 22, 2019

2 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:

There’s no evidence? How would anyone know their breakdown was caused by using basic minimum required specs oil? 100% answer to this is that I’ve never heard of anyone having any engine failures while having a history of running Amsoil, have you?

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Really, I haven’t heard of anyone having a modern vehicle break down due to a specific oil related failure, using any brand. That’s why I asked for quantifiable evidence that Amsoil is worth using at double the price, especially in a normal passenger vehicle at a short OCI. But if such evidence existed, I suppose it would have been posted on page one and the debate would be over and settled.

Again, I have no doubts that Amsoil is a quality product, but I also believe there is such a thing as overkill, diminishing returns, and “good enough” as it pertains to motor oil.

No worries and no need to bicker about it. You will continue to use Amsoil with great results, I will continue to use AC Delco or Mobil 1. I promise that neither one of us is going to have an oil related failure.

TXGREEK · December 22, 2019

Really, I haven’t heard of anyone having a modern vehicle break down due to a specific oil related failure, using any brand. That’s why I asked for quantifiable evidence that Amsoil is worth using at double the price, especially in a normal passenger vehicle at a short OCI. But if such evidence existed, I suppose it would have been posted on page one and the debate would be over and settled.

Again, I have no doubts that Amsoil is a quality product, but I also believe there is such a thing as overkill, diminishing returns, and “good enough” as it pertains to motor oil.

No worries and no need to bicker about it. You will continue to use Amsoil with great results, I will continue to use AC Delco or Mobil 1. I promise that neither one of us is going to have an oil related failure. [emoji3]

No bickering going on, “quantifiable evidence” the proof is that you’ll find an endless supply of bitching and crying going on in these forums with major failures and not one of them were using Amsoil, aside of lab results and this I’d say that’s not coincidental.

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SquireSCA · December 22, 2019

I think his point is that we have no real way of knowing that any engines that failed were the result of not running Amsoil, or the ones that didn't, because they used it. We can find literally millions of engines that didn't fail, that didn't use Amsoil.

So a story or two, or anything else provided in this thread is anecdotal at best...

Saying "I have never heard of a motor failing that used Amsoil", is really no different than claiming that you never heard of an engine failure where the owner wore purple socks... Even if it's true, it doesn't really mean anything...

Grumpy Bear · December 22, 2019

All mechanical devices eventually 'wear out'. How long is the sum of their entire operating life experiences. Every mile, every minute, every service, every mood, every day, every time you got it right and every mistake you make along the way. Long mechanical life is a habit, a very steady and repeatable habit. Products may enhance habits but can not replace them.

One can use the absolute worst products and if habits offset their weaknesses it can make that device last longer than the best products used with weak habits. The question now is, what if I use great products and have great habits? I will get the same result as poor products and great habits but it will cost me LESS by any measure.

TXGREEK · December 22, 2019

I think his point is that we have no real way of knowing that any engines that failed were the result of not running Amsoil, or the ones that didn't, because they used it. We can find literally millions of engines that didn't fail, that didn't use Amsoil.

So a story or two, or anything else provided in this thread is anecdotal at best...

Saying "I have never heard of a motor failing that used Amsoil", is really no different than claiming that you never heard of an engine failure where the owner wore purple socks... Even if it's true, it doesn't really mean anything...

Funny thing is, each and every breakdown I’ve read in these forums, especially the infamous AFM problems have always been asked about the oil they were using and most were dealership OCI’s which later dealership blamed it on a catch can and then rejected any future warranties by GM, go figure.

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TXGREEK · December 22, 2019

All mechanical devices eventually 'wear out'. How long is the sum of their entire operating life experiences. Every mile, every minute, every service, every mood, every day, every time you got it right and every mistake you make along the way. Long mechanical life is a habit, a very steady and repeatable habit. Products may enhance habits but can not replace them.

One can use the absolute worst products and if habits offset their weaknesses it can make that device last longer than the best products used with weak habits. The question now is, what if I use great products and have great habits? I will get the same result as poor products and great habits but it will cost me LESS by any measure.

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SquireSCA · December 22, 2019

20 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:

Funny thing is, each and every breakdown I’ve read in these forums, especially the infamous AFM problems have always been asked about the oil they were using and most were dealership OCI’s which later dealership blamed it on a catch can and then rejected any future warranties by GM, go figure.

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And those stories represent... 0.0001% of these trucks on the road.

Not exactly a huge sample set...

TXGREEK · December 22, 2019

And those stories represent... 0.0001% of these trucks on the road.

Not exactly a huge sample set...

And yet 0% ever found with Amsoil. Ok, night night!

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Colossus · December 22, 2019

13 hours ago, Bob2C said:

I only use ac Delco oil filters. If it was to break apart and destroy the engine would something like that be covered under warranty? I can’t see why it wouldn’t. Heck the dealership use that filter for oil changes.

Correction. You use AC Delco named filters made by Champion Labs/FRAM.

OnTheReel · December 22, 2019

AFM issues...especially early model years...well no brand of oil is going to save a weak part and a poor design from itself, long term. Besides, in AFM’s first iteration we are talking years before the Dexos standard even existed. If the person wasn’t lying when they said dealer maintained...big if...for the first several years of their lives, those trucks still would not have seen even the crappiest version of a synthetic blend from a service center back then, let alone the fairly good oil they use today.

Things change. I’m not advocating for 2007’s bulk dealer oil or even it’s OCIs. But today, the difference between dealer oil, other modern synthetics and Amsoil is not as great as it once was. And whether the value or benefit to Amsoil is still there, I don’t personally think so in this case.

Anyway, Merry Christmas!

LRod · December 22, 2019

Really, I haven’t heard of anyone having a modern vehicle break down due to a specific oil related failure, using any brand. That’s why I asked for quantifiable evidence that Amsoil is worth using at double the price, especially in a normal passenger vehicle at a short OCI. But if such evidence existed, I suppose it would have been posted on page one and the debate would be over and settled.

Again, I have no doubts that Amsoil is a quality product, but I also believe there is such a thing as overkill, diminishing returns, and “good enough” as it pertains to motor oil.

No worries and no need to bicker about it. You will continue to use Amsoil with great results, I will continue to use AC Delco or Mobil 1. I promise that neither one of us is going to have an oil related failure. [emoji3]

And I'll have to continue using the boxes and boxes of Havoline that I just picked up from Walmart, Lol!!

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LRod · December 22, 2019

Correction. You use AC Delco named filters made by Champion Labs/FRAM.

Yes but it's a Delco product made by someone else. It's not a licensed product. Big difference! It's approved and warranted by GM. Tons of parts on all vehicles that carry the manufacturers name and are made by someone else. Still warranted & approved for use by the manufacturer. Case in point, the original oil issue: It's Delco oil made by Mobil.

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