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6 hours ago, Robotaz said:

Redline is a turbine lube originally. Highest spec lube out there for cars. It’s awesome, but only if you get your engine good and hot to evaporate water in your oil. If you drive like granny down to the store and back all the time, I don’t recommend Redline. It absorbs water and needs to be heated completely during operation.

Polyol Esters, in general, are turbine oils. Phillips recently bought Red Line. So far they have left the formula in tact. It is a partial ester and partial PAO...just like AMSOIL. Different ratios and different additive concentrations.  

 

All oils absorb water. Nothing special there. Nobody "grannies" their ride more that I. AND I run a 170 F thermostat. Cool as the other side of the pillow. Dyson labs reports my water is WELL under the 1,000 ppm 'damage' threshold. That said I do NOT turn the key for a drive that will have me 'at temperature' for less than at least one hour. My mother use to line dry clothes in -20F weather. A pan of water will evaporate on the counter at room temperature. Cheap humidifier. All you need is the evaporation rate to be above the generation rate. That's doesn't take as long as you may think. Anything over 175 F bulk oil temperature for an hour will get' R dun. 

 

Your concern is acidic hydrolysis. Reverse esterification. Where ester is heated with a large excess of water containing a strong-acid catalyst. Neither is present in you motor. See where being in possession of only half the story will lead you? 

 

If your that guy that starts cold in the winter and drives five miles to work to let it set a shift and repeat going home and that is your life...yea....no oil is idiot proof. In that case buy some cheap conventional and change is every 2K. It will last forever.  

 

4 hours ago, LRod said:

I predict the thread will now once again take another turn based on the last Redline post, Lol!!

:crackup:Maybe.....:crackup:

 

Serious. IDK. Use what you like. It won't hurt my equipment a bit. 

 

I don't use Red Line in everything. Just the bikes and Pepper. 

 

I also use, or have used AMSOIL, Amalie, Lube Engineers, Wolfs Head, Cen-Pe-Co, Phillips, Chevron Havoline, Valvoline, TORCO KOLTZ and Shell Aero.

 

Currently I'm giving both Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Schaeffer hard looks. 

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10 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

If your that guy that starts cold in the winter and drives five miles to work to let it set a shift and repeat going home and that is your life...yea....no oil is idiot proof. In that case buy some cheap conventional and change is every 2K. It will last forever.  

 

:crackup:Maybe.....:crackup:

 

Serious. IDK. Use what you like. It won't hurt my equipment a bit.

Uh-oh. I only live 5 miles from work. Though I do let my engine warm up before I drive. 

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Uh-oh. I only live 5 miles from work. Though I do let my engine warm up before I drive. 
Me too, 12 miles each way. I'm not gonna worry about stuff like that. Change the oil every 5000, warm up the truck before I drive and that's it!

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these aren't race engines, they don't need reports, studies, scientific analysis...they are built for everday people, who don't have to have a degree in motor oil to change it, imagine that they will still honor a warranty.....OMG what was GM thinking

 

theyre all gonna blow up for sure, lol

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3 hours ago, Dunn said:

these aren't race engines, they don't need reports, studies, scientific analysis...they are built for everday people, who don't have to have a degree in motor oil to change it, imagine that they will still honor a warranty.....OMG what was GM thinking

 

theyre all gonna blow up for sure, lol

So your the judge of what people need?

Who knew.

Thanks for the introduction. Was wondering who to see about that. 

You might try thinking for yourself before attempting it for others.

Do it slow. It can be painful at first. 

 

1 hour ago, Robotaz said:

Oil threads prove that the internet is a dumping ground for jerks to unload on everyone.

You don't fish much, do ya?

Wrong bait.

:crackup:

 

 

 

 

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Only 15 pages?? You guys are slacking off. 

 

Seriously though, I’ve switched to using Amsoil signature series 0w-20. Last oil change interval, I went 7,500 miles (basically followed OLM). Should I push the interval a little longer this time to like 10,000 or possibly shorten it to 6,000 (where I’m at now)? 

 

Interested in opinions. 

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23 minutes ago, RE1 said:

Only 15 pages?? You guys are slacking off. 

 

Seriously though, I’ve switched to using Amsoil signature series 0w-20. Last oil change interval, I went 7,500 miles (basically followed OLM). Should I push the interval a little longer this time to like 10,000 or possibly shorten it to 6,000 (where I’m at now)? 

 

Interested in opinions. 

Are ya now? 

:crackup:

 

Then an opinion you shall have! 

 

From GMC.com

The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers specific components in your vehicle, such as, but not limited to, the engine and transmission for 5 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes first. It is fully transferable with no fees and no deductibles.

 

Did you know that the average GM durability study last only 50,000 miles? Oh yes they say tested for millions of miles. What they don't say is how many trucks they used to compile a million miles. (where are my SAE tech papers on this). 

 

https://gearsmagazine.com/magazine/sipping-fuel/

 

Part way down you will find this paragraph: 

 

Like the AFM/DOD system, you will hear me preaching about the importance of using the correct engine oil and filter along with the need to change it often. A tremendous amount of the issues with the AFM/ DOD system on both the GM and Dodge applications are due to poor maintenance on the part of the owner, it’s an expensive lesson to learn. While all these vehicles are equipped with engine oil life monitors, it’s been shown to be prudent to change your oil and filter well prior to the system indicating that the oil should be changed.

 

Personally I use both Red Line and AMSOIL and change on 5K OCI's. My opinion is that for DOD and GDI motors 5K is long enough.

 

:seeya: 

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43 minutes ago, RE1 said:

Only 15 pages?? You guys are slacking off. 

 

Seriously though, I’ve switched to using Amsoil signature series 0w-20. Last oil change interval, I went 7,500 miles (basically followed OLM). Should I push the interval a little longer this time to like 10,000 or possibly shorten it to 6,000 (where I’m at now)? 

 

Interested in opinions. 

The only source I'd trust is Blackstone if you want to push oil change intervals beyond the monitor in the vehicle. 

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1 hour ago, UGADawgs said:

The only source I'd trust is Blackstone if you want to push oil change intervals beyond the monitor in the vehicle. 

Blackstone is amateur hour in oil analysis. They are not an ASTM certified lab.

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Are ya now? 

:crackup:

 

Then an opinion you shall have! 

 

From GMC.com

The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers specific components in your vehicle, such as, but not limited to, the engine and transmission for 5 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes first. It is fully transferable with no fees and no deductibles.

 

Did you know that the average GM durability study last only 50,000 miles? Oh yes they say tested for millions of miles. What they don't say is how many trucks they used to compile a million miles. (where are my SAE tech papers on this). 

 

https://gearsmagazine.com/magazine/sipping-fuel/

 

Part way down you will find this paragraph: 

 

Like the AFM/DOD system, you will hear me preaching about the importance of using the correct engine oil and filter along with the need to change it often. A tremendous amount of the issues with the AFM/ DOD system on both the GM and Dodge applications are due to poor maintenance on the part of the owner, it’s an expensive lesson to learn. While all these vehicles are equipped with engine oil life monitors, it’s been shown to be prudent to change your oil and filter well prior to the system indicating that the oil should be changed.

 

Personally I use both Red Line and AMSOIL and change on 5K OCI's. My opinion is that for DOD and GDI motors 5K is long enough.

 

:seeya: 

Thank you. Always value your insight. Sounds like I’m due for a change now (@6,000 miles now). 

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Red Line was purchased by a private label packager Spectrum in Tenn.  The whole purpose of the purchase was to package RL with their private label products and peddle the total volume.

Conoco Phillips then purchased Spectrum ( and RedLine) for $200 mil.  What this means is that Red Line now joins the others as a commodity oil, controlled by the bean counters loyal to stockholders and relegated to using Conoco Philips as it sole additive source.

 

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8 minutes ago, elcamino said:

Red Line was purchased by a private label packager Spectrum in Tenn.  The whole purpose of the purchase was to package RL with their private label products and peddle the total volume.

 

Conoco Phillips then purchased Spectrum ( and RedLine) for $200 mil.  What this means is that Red Line now joins the others as a commodity oil, controlled by the bean counters loyal to stockholders and relegated to using Conoco Philips as it sole additive source.

 

 

 

What this means is you're really late to the party.

 

Spectrum (Spectrum Corp. is owned by Dominus Capital) bought Red Line in fall of 2013. The more recent Phillips buy has resulted in adding the Professional series to the line up to meet SN-PLUS / DEXOS2 requirements the HP formulation does not and never will. A reduction in phosphorus to under 800 ppm maximum on the additive front and replacement of the polyol ester with a Group III base. These are two very different lubricants. Red Line HP PAO/POE  1200 ppm max and Red Line PRO PAO/Group III 800 ppm max. The High Performance series is in no way a commodity. It is purpose formulated lubricant.  :wtf:  Much like Joe Gibbs Racing LS30. 

 

And so??????????????

 

Much to do about nothing! 

 

:seeya:

 

 

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