Following a Hopeful Stretch UAW Now Says Strike Deal Moving Backwards

[Gorehamj]

John Goreham
Contributing Writer, GM-Trucks.com
10-7-2019

The United Auto Workers (UAW) strike against General Motors has entered its fourth week. After initial reports a week ago, and also last Friday, union negotiators now say that the bargaining has "Taken a turn for the worse." The union claims GM backtracked on some provisions that were important to the union. 

 

"The leadership is a little bit nervous about being able to ratify and so everything is taking longer. You don't have the leadership leading, they're looking over their shoulder at the membership all the time wondering if the deal is gonna fly," said economist Patrick Anderson. The leadership is also being arrested for corruption. This weekend, the UAW announced it had put a 17-state union manager, Vance Pearson, on leave.  Pearson is being charged in a federal corruption probe.

 

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[BIGDOGx]

11 minutes ago, Gorehamj said:

John Goreham
Contributing Writer, GM-Trucks.com
10-7-2019

The United Auto Workers (UAW) strike against General Motors has entered its fourth week. After initial reports a week ago, and also last Friday, union negotiators now say that the bargaining has "Taken a turn for the worse." The union claims GM backtracked on some provisions that were important to the union. 

 

"The leadership is a little bit nervous about being able to ratify and so everything is taking longer. You don't have the leadership leading, they're looking over their shoulder at the membership all the time wondering if the deal is gonna fly," said economist Patrick Anderson. The leadership is also being arrested for corruption. This weekend, the UAW announced it had put a 17-state union manager, Vance Pearson, on leave.  Pearson is being charged in a federal corruption probe.

 

Related Story: UAW Strike Results In Closure Of Mexican GM Truck Plants

I would steer clear of any GM product at this time, i can't imagine moral and quality were good with the last few weeks of work done at their plants.

[The Zip]

58 minutes ago, BIGDOGx said:

I would steer clear of any GM product at this time, i can't imagine moral and quality were good with the last few weeks of work done at their plants.

I would agree with that to a point and it's probably the viewpoint of the union as a whole.  But individually I would still maintain my ethics, integrity, and professionalism.  I couldn't see myself sacrificing safety in one of these trucks because of a union fight.  Just my personal view, results in a good nights sleep.

[j-ten-ner]

I'm all in for the rights of workers, including a strike.

At the end it's just a show off how's got the longest breath.

My bets are on GM.

If I was "GM", I'd drag this thing out until the strike fund is getting thin and then I'd offer a personal deal to any worker willing to return to work..

I don't think that the workers in the US facilities are under-paid or anything like that.

I think that most of them just see the profit that the company makes and are getting jealous.

 

My boss makes a shitload of money. But when the topic comes up within my co-workers, I say "You live in a society where you have all the chances to do the same. Just quit drinking beer with your buddy's after work and keep working. Leave your family alone on the weekend and keep working. Stop looking at your watch at 3pm and keep working. Leave your phone on at night and answer the call and keep working. ... " ...and so on.

 

You live in a free country and you don't leave out anything to show it to the world. You despise socialism and communism. Fair enough. But don't start to cry when the system is falling down on you.

 

so long

j-ten-ner

[Ddavyd22]

Well it doesn’t help when your truck has been in the service department for over 3 weeks awaiting parts because of this BS! They need to get a move on and figure it out!! 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Ddavyd22

[RichardG]

15 hours ago, j-ten-ner said:

I'm all in for the rights of workers, including a strike.

At the end it's just a show off how's got the longest breath.

My bets are on GM.

If I was "GM", I'd drag this thing out until the strike fund is getting thin and then I'd offer a personal deal to any worker willing to return to work..

I don't think that the workers in the US facilities are under-paid or anything like that.

I think that most of them just see the profit that the company makes and are getting jealous.

 

My boss makes a shitload of money. But when the topic comes up within my co-workers, I say "You live in a society where you have all the chances to do the same. Just quit drinking beer with your buddy's after work and keep working. Leave your family alone on the weekend and keep working. Stop looking at your watch at 3pm and keep working. Leave your phone on at night and answer the call and keep working. ... " ...and so on.

 

You live in a free country and you don't leave out anything to show it to the world. You despise socialism and communism. Fair enough. But don't start to cry when the system is falling down on you.

 

so long

j-ten-ner

I tend to agree with this logic. I live down the road from the largest GM facility in North America which is in Spring Hill, TN (near Nashville). I've run into many of these guys and had lengthy conversations; please no one make the generic statement that I am going purely on anecdotal evidence or anything - it's just using common sense and my interactions with a "focus group" if you will. Also I have seen/met other facilities including GM Arlington, Toyota San Antonio, GM Fort Wayne.

 

I tend to take complaints with a grain of salt because it's true, jealously does play a role; and the major fact is yes, choices make all the difference. So many forget/ignore the difficulties and sacrifices that it does take to 'get to the top/higher up' and like so many other industries, it's very easy to complain/claim that you're so undervalued or paid and also that he got a hand out. This is true too - there is a buddy/buddy system but it exists everywhere, ie bet you wouldn't complain if your friend who was a cop didn't write you a ticket because you were friends.

[Jsdirt]

You know, back when unions actually genuinely helped the worker, instead of funneling money straight to the democrat party, and breaking people's legs or showing up at their house in the middle of the night that didn't comply with their wishes, I'd be on board. These days, I think the days of the union are behind us. This may or may not be true of the smaller ones, but is definitely true of the larger ones. They've become bloated and corrupt, and in bed with their bloated and corrupt friends in government.

 

Why does a new truck cost $50 LARGE (and up ...)? There's your answer. I'm all for making a great wage, but when it sucks the life out of the company you work for, what good is it?

[RichardG]

6 minutes ago, Jsdirt said:

You know, back when unions actually genuinely helped the worker, instead of funneling money straight to the democrat party, and breaking people's legs or showing up at their house in the middle of the night that didn't comply with their wishes, I'd be on board. These days, I think the days of the union are behind us. This may or may not be true of the smaller ones, but is definitely true of the larger ones. They've become bloated and corrupt, and in bed with their bloated and corrupt friends in government.

 

Why does a new truck cost $50 LARGE (and up ...)? There's your answer. I'm all for making a great wage, but when it sucks the life out of the company you work for, what good is it?

I can agree - but a point could be made with the old adage power corrupts... and as the cyclical nature of history has shown it's not the first time nor will it be the last. Also the adage of don't bite the hand that feeds seems appropriate  then again greed does set in as well as necessity - if many are  using and abusing the union or system, you'd be losing money/purchasing power if you didn't. Terrible really.

[Snoringbear]

The problem will correct itself.  Pickups are already being priced out of the market.  Dealers are offering seven year financing and leases are driving leasers further and further underwater.  People can’t afford them anymore.  

[Colossus]

leasing is the worst thing you can do.  You end up paying for the depreciation and lots more. 

[Jsdirt]

I agree ... but people still keep doing it, Ryan! 

[Colossus]

Yes they do.  But some people only learn the hard way.

[Snoringbear]

6 hours ago, Colossus said:

Yes they do.  But some people only learn the hard way.

Yeh, and while they are learning they  continually roll their unpaid balance into their new lease making their note ever larger.  It’s crazy. Reminds me of the parable “The Frog In A Pot Of Water”....

[The Zip]

I've never been part of a union so I'm not pro or con.  But is the union skilled, experienced workers?  If so, does the the union make up the company?  If not, does the company not acknowledge the union and sacrifice credibility and hire non-skilled, inexperienced workers?  The result of the strike, we may hear both sides got what they wanted, the company will be a few million light in the pocket, and the union members may be late with a house payment.  Both the company and union will land on their feet and the loser in all this will probably be the consumer.

[Snoringbear]

I’m not anti union.  I’m ok with workers joining a union if they want.  I’m not for a closed shop though.  I believe people should have the right to work whether they’re in a union or not.  It should be an employees choice.