Diesel without options or gas with all the options

[newdude]

18 hours ago, Pastusak.t said:

I’m not asking about gas vs diesel... we all know the diesel pulls better. Let’s not turn this into one of the countless other threads about that. 
 

What I want to know is, if you had xxxxxx dollars to spend and those dollars can get get you a fully loaded Denali gasser or a decently optioned SLE diesel, which would you buy?

 

I drive about 3 miles per day to and from work. I tow about 10000 lbs maybe 8-10 times during the summer. (Family trips to the lake.) 

 

I know I’d love the diesel for towing but I also know I’d love the tech and options for my daily driving. 
 

I have a 2016 6.0 SLE now and put maybe 8k miles a year on the truck. 
 

What would you do?

 

Your daily commute will introduce you to the problems side of modern diesels.

 

Loaded gas > base diesel for your scenario IMO. 

[Pastusak.t]

Thanks for all the feedback guys... I’m pretty sure I’m gonna go gas but may hold out to see if the put in the 10spd next year. My truck only has 29k miles on it and I don’t need to get a new one right this second. I’ll see where incentives go and maybe see how the first year of the 6.6 L8T goes. Prices of these things have almost gotten out of hand. 

[protovack]

remember that the 6 speed is not a handicap at all, its a great transmission. There is no reason for 10 gears in a gas pickup truck. They'll probably put the 10 speed in it at some point, but until then the 6 speed is bulletproof and I'd actually recommend getting one before they go to the 10 speed. 

[gmckenzie]

9 hours ago, protovack said:

remember that the 6 speed is not a handicap at all, its a great transmission. There is no reason for 10 gears in a gas pickup truck. They'll probably put the 10 speed in it at some point, but until then the 6 speed is bulletproof and I'd actually recommend getting one before they go to the 10 speed. 

I'm waiting for a comparison of the Ford 7.3L gas and 10 spd to the GM 6.6L gas and 6 speed to see how they compare. Not saying I'll buy a Ford, but I'm curious how the 10spd works in a similar truck. If there isn't an impact, I may look at a GM in 2020.

[Black02Silverado]

48 minutes ago, gmckenzie said:

I'm waiting for a comparison of the Ford 7.3L gas and 10 spd to the GM 6.6L gas and 6 speed to see how they compare. Not saying I'll buy a Ford, but I'm curious how the 10spd works in a similar truck. If there isn't an impact, I may look at a GM in 2020.

I can say this much.  Having the 10sp in my 2019 with the 6.2.  I would think the Ford with the 7.3l gas and 10sp would be a sweet ride. The way the 10sp shifts it stays in the power band and just flat out pulls.

[newdude]

17 hours ago, protovack said:

remember that the 6 speed is not a handicap at all, its a great transmission. There is no reason for 10 gears in a gas pickup truck. They'll probably put the 10 speed in it at some point, but until then the 6 speed is bulletproof and I'd actually recommend getting one before they go to the 10 speed. 

 

Once you drive a GM with a 10 speed, the 6 speed becomes a handicap however 

Edited October 2, 2019 by newdude

[protovack]

I can't figure out how people suddenly decided 6 gears isn't enough. 

The final drive ratio is similar, and so highway fuel economy is also similar. 

tractor trailers have 18 gears because the torque requirement is so high, and diesels make huge low end torque so it makes sense to keep the engine down low in the max torque band, especially when taking away from a stop. 

However in a gas 2500 truck, huge numbers of gears just aren't necessary, or even desirable. 

The 10 speed may "drive better", but its still a newer transmission, and not necessarily stronger. 

It also depends on how you define "drive better". 

I'm okay with varying my speed to stay in the power band, which on a 6 speed transmission, barely needs much speed adjustment. On a 4 speed yes, it isn't enough. But 6 gears is totally enough in a pickup truck. 

Getting off soap box now :)

[KARNUT]

I can't figure out how people suddenly decided 6 gears isn't enough. 
The final drive ratio is similar, and so highway fuel economy is also similar. 
tractor trailers have 18 gears because the torque requirement is so high, and diesels make huge low end torque so it makes sense to keep the engine down low in the max torque band, especially when taking away from a stop. 
However in a gas 2500 truck, huge numbers of gears just aren't necessary, or even desirable. 
The 10 speed may "drive better", but its still a newer transmission, and not necessarily stronger. 
It also depends on how you define "drive better". 
I'm okay with varying my speed to stay in the power band, which on a 6 speed transmission, barely needs much speed adjustment. On a 4 speed yes, it isn't enough. But 6 gears is totally enough in a pickup truck. 
Getting off soap box now

I agree. I have two cars with 6 speeds. They both take very little throttle to get to 60. My 14 GMC was the same. I can see 8 for pulling. The additional expense isn’t worth it in most cases. Wind drag in pickups I don’t see the advantage for higher cruising ratio. I’ve seen car and driver test show the 6.2 truck slow down to 60 with the 10 speed.


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[mookdoc6]

19 hours ago, protovack said:

remember that the 6 speed is not a handicap at all, its a great transmission. There is no reason for 10 gears in a gas pickup truck. They'll probably put the 10 speed in it at some point, but until then the 6 speed is bulletproof and I'd actually recommend getting one before they go to the 10 speed. 

Totally agree!  There is Only 1qty Reason that GM did not put the 10speed in this truck.  GM simply is not going to put that 10speed into the 2500's until they have major data and history on it!  They sell 2500's to WORK and durability is paramount FERD can have all they want on HD's with unproven 10spd.  GM will not put it into those trucks until they are absolute certain they are GOOD to GO! 

 

I would get the 6speed without hesitation!  It will not fail you which is why they put in the truck.

[GMC Sierra 34]

Totally agree!  There is Only 1qty Reason that GM did not put the 10speed in this truck.  GM simply is not going to put that 10speed into the 2500's until they have major data and history on it!  They sell 2500's to WORK and durability is paramount FERD can have all they want on HD's with unproven 10spd.  GM will not put it into those trucks until they are absolute certain they are GOOD to GO! 
 
I would get the 6speed without hesitation!  It will not fail you which is why they put in the truck.

The new duramax is running a 10 speed so I would think if they have faith in it to be used for that platform it would be fine for gasser.


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[MORSNO]

25 minutes ago, GMC Sierra 34 said:

The new duramax is running a 10 speed so I would think if they have faith in it to be used for that platform it would be fine for gasser.


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Completely different transmission than a gasser would get.

 

[48548]

Completely different transmission than a gasser would get.
 

So what you are saying is, it would be the f150/1500 version? Seeing how 6l90s were in 1500pickups.... I was hoping it would be the 10l1000... oh well I am waiting to see the 21 interior changes before I replace my 12 Denali hd with a dmax and less than 25k on the odo... I think I want the 3500 srw for the 12inch rear end and full torque in all gears.

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[redwngr]

I'd expect that if there is a 10 speed in the HD gasser it will be a middle size one that we don't know about yet.

 

1500 one probably won't handle the HD duty cycle requirement, and the 'Allison' has twice as much torque capacity as is required.

Edited October 3, 2019 by redwngr

[AJE]

15 hours ago, protovack said:

I can't figure out how people suddenly decided 6 gears isn't enough. 

Probably because Ford has 10 

[MORSNO]

23 hours ago, 48548 said:

So what you are saying is, it would be the f150/1500 version? Seeing how 6l90s were in 1500pickups.... I was hoping it would be the 10l1000... oh well I am waiting to see the 21 interior changes before I replace my 12 Denali hd with a dmax and less than 25k on the odo... I think I want the 3500 srw for the 12inch rear end and full torque in all gears.

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The 10 speed in the GM1500's is a light duty transmission and currently not built for a 2500/3500HD.