New Denali or Ram Longhorn???

Snakes709 · October 4, 2019

1 hour ago, shadysneed said:

That sucks...I've heard about all the issues you listed. That would definitely piss me right the f*ck off.

Oh and no a/c from day one. Part was back ordered and never got it. Was still 2+ month wait when i traded it in for my at4

Edited October 4, 2019 by Snakes709

shadysneed · October 4, 2019

1 hour ago, ickyoldman said:

I'd give Ram a try.....GM's quality has been going downhill every year. The materials are cheaper. They're just junk. Ancient technology. Worst interiors out there. How do you feel about GM's corporate philosophy? That may/should have some influence about where you want to spend your money. My next truck will be a Ram.

Their corporate philosophy is probably the same as any other company. Make as much $$$ as possible. No one gives a damn about consumers anymore. But in my situation, they at least listened and worked with me. More than I can say about all the dealers I took it to, including where I bought the truck.

I dont know if I agree with you when it comes to quality of gm trucks. As I said earlier, I work on all makes, 90% of them brand new everyday (gm, ram, ford, toyota, audi, honda, etc)...When it comes to the big 3 trucks, hands down gm uses the highest quality of materials. Are their interiors eye popping? Absolutely not. But it's functional and reliable. You should see how cheap some of the most important parts of ford and ram trucks are. Paper thin carpet and headliner. Super thin leather trim (this is part of the reason a lot new ram owners are complaining about the color wearing off). If I can scratch leather by grazing my finger across it, its shitty leather or vinyl. Ram definitely doesn't spray enough coats of paint on their trucks. Clear coat is very thin also. Ford and gm are pretty good about that. I wont even get into how thin and flexible the metal is on ram. The ford is mostly aluminum, so there's that. I could go on and on about the quality of materials used in pretty much any vehicle after being in the industry for 19 years.

shadysneed · October 4, 2019

43 minutes ago, Snakes709 said:

Oh for the no a/c from day one. Part was back ordered and never got it. Was still 2+ month wait when i traded it in for my at4

I get it.. We are suppose to expect some problems with new model trucks. But when those issues start adding up like a slot machine, I'm think I'm all set. I'd much rather have an 8 inch touchscreen, regular sized sunroof, and peace of mind that everything is going to work as advertised than hoping that my flashy truck doesnt embarrass me at the most inopportune time lol

ickyoldman · October 4, 2019

6 minutes ago, shadysneed said:

Their corporate philosophy is probably the same as any other company. Make as much $$$ as possible. No one gives a damn about consumers anymore. But in my situation, they at least listened and worked with me. More than I can say about all the dealers I took it to, including where I bought the truck.

I dont know if I agree with you when it comes to quality of gm trucks. As I said earlier, I work on all makes, 90% of them brand new everyday (gm, ram, ford, toyota, audi, honda, etc)...When it comes to the big 3 trucks, hands down gm uses the highest quality of materials. Are their interiors eye popping? Absolutely not. But it's functional and reliable. You should see how cheap some of the most important parts of ford and ram trucks are. Paper thin carpet and headliner. Super thin leather trim (this is part of the reason a lot new ram owners are complaining about the color wearing off). If I can scratch leather by grazing my finger across it, its shitty leather or vinyl. Ram definitely doesn't spray enough coats of paint on their trucks. Clear coat is very thin also. Ford and gm are pretty good about that. I wont even get into how thin and flexible the metal is on ram. The ford is mostly aluminum, so there's that. I could go on and on about the quality of materials used in pretty much any vehicle after being in the industry for 19 years.

I look at the quality of materials on my 16 Silverado as compared to my 04 Silverado and the is a huge difference in everything from the carpet to the upholstery to the gauge of the metal on the body. My 04 felt SOLID and well put together even though the interior was still cheezy it was ok because, well, it was 04. My 16 feels like it's made out of tin foil and the materials used in the interior I would classify as "builders grade" cheap crap.

shadysneed · October 4, 2019

7 minutes ago, ickyoldman said:

I look at the quality of materials on my 16 Silverado as compared to my 04 Silverado and the is a huge difference in everything from the carpet to the upholstery to the gauge of the metal on the body. My 04 felt SOLID and well put together even though the interior was still cheezy it was ok because, well, it was 04. My 16 feels like it's made out of tin foil and the materials used in the interior I would classify as "builders grade" cheap

Most cars manufacturers used superior materials 15 years ago. The materials were even better in the 90's, and even better in the 80's. We just had shit technology back then, so no one noticed. Today it's about how cheap they can make it, and quantity over quality. Take something as simple as a door panel. Take all 3 truck's plastic door panels off, try bending each one in half. That ram and ford will fold like paper. We've tried it at work. Or slam the drivers door on one, and watch the entire side of the truck flex. Its scary...

If I were a betting man, in order of quality of materials, its GM, Ram, then Ford.

We can continue to agree or disagree on engine, exterior styling etc., but I'm not backing off the quality lol

OnTheReel · October 4, 2019

14 minutes ago, ickyoldman said:

I look at the quality of materials on my 16 Silverado as compared to my 04 Silverado and the is a huge difference in everything from the carpet to the upholstery to the gauge of the metal on the body. My 04 felt SOLID and well put together even though the interior was still cheezy it was ok because, well, it was 04. My 16 feels like it's made out of tin foil and the materials used in the interior I would classify as "builders grade" cheap crap.

Having both at my disposal, I cannot say that there is single piece of the GMT-800s that’s better built or higher quality than the K2 or T1. If the K2 interior is cheap crap (I don’t think it is), what’s the hard plastic GMT-800 interior? I would say garbage, but that may be being nice. It was widely regarded as terrible when new, and only worse now...

Granted, my comparison subject has a few miles on her and maybe is not reflective of new...

KARNUT · October 5, 2019

I guess my granddaughter 08 300 with close to 300K miles must be a fluke. Once a year oil changes, brakes, tires, electric cooling fan that’s it. The power steering was acting up recently, binding. She pulled the fluid out put in new it’s fine now. Has original transmission fluid. The car still looks good. Never been in a garage. I don’t think Chrysler, Dodge, Ram are as bad as people make out.

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Mandalorian · October 5, 2019

As far as clear coat/paint goes, with the exception of the Germans and super high end stuff like Rolls-Royce, they’re all equally bad.

f8l vnm · October 5, 2019

IMO

Looks are subjective so pick what you like

interior it’s not even close/more interior options as well

ride comfort goes to ram as well cause the coils.

Ram is actually a IIHS top pick now. I think GM is a step behind here ?

engine goes to 6.2/10A hands down.

Bed functionality and tie down points/bumper step is huge win for GM here

payload and towing is close enough to negate

however I still like the GM frame here.

Did I miss anything ?

Cpl_Punishment · October 5, 2019

14 hours ago, shadysneed said:

The ford is mostly aluminum, so there's that. I could go on and on about the quality of materials used in pretty much any vehicle after being in the industry for 19 years.

I agree with your other points but I'll just point out that there's a fair bit of aluminum in the T1s as well.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Cpl_Punishment
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Cpl_Punishment · October 5, 2019

I wonder if Ram would ever put the 6.4 in a 1500 to try to make a sort of 6.2 fighter.

magnum74 · October 5, 2019

The Longhorn interior is very nice and very impressive to sit in but it won't wear well. Ram if you turn your truck over frequently but GM if you're looking to keep it for the long term. GM has bland interior but it is very functional.

Mandalorian · October 6, 2019

12 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

I wonder if Ram would ever put the 6.4 in a 1500 to try to make a sort of 6.2 fighter.

I think a Hellcat Ram would be pretty neat.

OnTheReel · October 6, 2019

42 minutes ago, Mandalorian said:

I think a Hellcat Ram would be pretty neat.

Rebel TRX is officially a go. Will be detuned somewhat from the 717hp, but it still should kick some major ass and have that lovely blower whine. I’m too “GM” to want it, but I kinda want it...

brendon444 · October 6, 2019

38 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

Rebel TRX is officially a go. Will be detuned somewhat from the 717hp, but it still should kick some major ass and have that lovely blower whine. I’m too “GM” to want it, but I kinda want it...

Im in the same boat! Love gm and have had great luck with the reliability and service when ive had an issue.

Been gm loyal all my life, but why cant they take some things from dodge/ford. Nicer interiors, better performance packages.

Example: SRT jeeps, durangos, + track hawk, now the hellcat truck? . Ford with the raptor and dodge with the power wagon.

Lets face it, the AT4 sucks. Its a measly 2" lift nothing more. I drive gm trucks and full size SUV's. But would love a SRT yukon denali from factory. Sure they have callaway but the pricing is stupid expensive.