Full Synthetic is NOT 100% Synthetic, it’s a marketing gimmick! Amsoil is real 100% Synthetic motor oil!

[newdude]

On 10/1/2019 at 8:19 AM, TXGREEK said:

 

 

With a preferred customer membership, $10 per quart x 8 plus filter.




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5 quart jug of Mobil 1 EP is $25.77 at Walmart.  ACdelco filter at the dealer $4.95.  Plus I can get Mobil EVERYWHERE.  Can't get Amsoil just everywhere. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by txab

[TXGREEK]

Ah. Well given my 3k oil change intervals thats a no go. I'll prob switch to that shell gas truck oil and see how that goes. Its the same price as valvoline full synthetic high mileage with maxlife tech. Which has been really good.

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You could just go to 5K - 6k intervals which will definitely pay for itself. Go longer if you want, Amsoil is designed for longer intervals and then send a sample to Blackstone Labs and see for yourself.


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[Snowcamo]

You could just go to 5K - 6k intervals which will definitely pay for itself. Go longer if you want, Amsoil is designed for longer intervals and then send a sample to Blackstone Labs and see for yourself.


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Im kinda ole school when it comes to oil changes. At one point it used to be 1500-2k. Call me otc i guess but ive only had one engine failure and that was a 160 t stat swapped in winter followed by a slew of wot runs b4 the engine ever got to temp. And it was 30°f out.

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[TXGREEK]

 

5 quart jug of Mobil 1 EP is $25.77 at Walmart.  ACdelco filter at the dealer $4.95.  Plus I can get Mobil EVERYWHERE.  Can't get Amsoil just everywhere. 

 

It get to your door within a 2-3 days and it’s about the amount of protection you’re getting between oil changes, highest quality Mobil1 cost more per quart and yet Amsoil is 4X better, do the math and along with the Wix XP $10 filter which catches small as 20-21 microns completely blows away paper oem filters. Costs me $80 per oil change doing it myself and have personally noticed a big difference in the way my engine runs, no more tick tick tick which Mobil1’s Annual Protection that costs $11-$12 per quart couldn’t fix the GM tick tick tick engine noise

 

My neighbor is an engineer and I asked him to give it a shot, try it for two straight oil changes and now he’s hooked. He changes his oil every 10k miles and said that he was shocked that Blackstone labs told him that it still had thousands of miles of protection still left in it.

 

This is not made up, it’s daily real life, everyday people and I’ve become an Amsoil lifer or until something else beats Amsoil, fat chance but you never know.

 

 

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[TXGREEK]

Im kinda ole school when it comes to oil changes. At one point it used to be 1500-2k. Call me otc i guess but ive only had one engine failure and that was a 160 t stat swapped in winter followed by a slew of wot runs b4 the engine ever got to temp. And it was 30°f out.

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Totally get it, by the way, Amsoil makes thicker hot rod engine oil too.

Check out their website and look at all the goodies they offer, from Engine oil, Trans Fluids, Diff Fluids etc etc
https://www.amsoil.com/


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[TXGREEK]

I invite Grumpy Bear to give his explanation of the oil stock grade and why 100% synthetic is what you want especially for longer oil change intervals. Be ready, it’s going to be very informative!

 

 

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[KARNUT]

Tell you what Greek, how about you give us your employee discount and we buy some of the unicorn fairy blood oil you keep on this wicked high pedestal? Then we can see if this oil really is so much better than anything else that ever existed (that no other big name motor sports actually use) and that we too get an extra 4 mpg, added 25 hp and not have to change out oil but once every 7 years that I can only image this stuff provides with how you talk it up. Does that sound fair? Convert people one at a time through personal service! BTW, you are in Texas too, which store do you work at that I can come get this stuff from you?  
 
Between you with Amsoil and Sierra Dan with Bilstein we could get some good discounts across the forum. Anyone here work at BFG or Method wheels?
 
Tyler

So you don’t like it. That doesn’t make it bad. Ever wonder why Amsoil not a national advertised product like others does so well? I would say responsible people check it out do their own testing. Are surprised will the results, then tell others. We were so impressed in the nighties we back our customers engines if they switch. Hundreds not just a few. These were (are) heavy duty off road clearing equipment. We tested with our own personal vehicles. Some were highly modified. Some were regulators at the drag strip. Does everyone need it probably not. You certainly can do a lot worse.


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[Grumpy Bear]

Some people paint a truck to make it pretty; some people to protect the metal it covers. Some people can afford $200 a quart paint; some can't afford finger paint. Truth is the paints that protect metal the best are now outlawed in most of the world. "Better" now has a new definition. A new CONTEXT. 

 

Mobil 1 at one time was a PAO/ester blend as is AMSOIL and Red Line and a few other boutique oils. This became untrue some years ago (Castrol Law Suit). Pretty quick after that Mobil 1 become a "marketing synthetic' like everyone else EXCEPT they kept their mouth shut and kept the price. Greed.....

 

Now some will say "marketing synthetic' like it's a bad thing. That too is no longer clear cut. "Marketing Synthetics' WERE Group III oils which are a large improvement over conventional Group I & II fluids. That to is no longer true. Treated Group II oils are now allowed in the "marketing" game. It's much like playing Liars Poker except you never get to see the other fellas dollar and are asked to trust he is telling the truth. Problem is this fella has lied to you multiple times so even if he is telling the truth you have no reason to believe him. It is why I no longer, after decades, use Mobil/Exxon products. You don't get to lie to me to my face and keep my $$$$ too. 

 

NO ONE is putting a PAO/Ester oil in a bottle for $5 a quart. Raw materials (esters) cost to much. NO ONE is blending ONLY PAO and Group III's. It wouldn't hold an add pack. Polarity issue. (Remember I was a refiner). As such might be useful as an indicator of composition IF the liars in liars poker had not spoiled the game. What I can say is $5 a pop isn't a POA /Ester. $12 pop is a maybe UNLESS they are willing to declare the mix. Some Boutique oils are willing. AMSOIL and Red Line are willing.

 

Both of these companies are also actively involved in MARKETING and that by nature is the business of artfully told lies. Deception is a LIE no matter how artfully told it may be. I'm not having that moral debate with them or anyone else. 

 

I watched the video and lost count of the times "maybe", "could", "might" were used and artfully so. They berate users of 'inferior' products for their "Emotional' attachments to their favorite oil. Then make an "Emotional Plea" of their own in the comments of 'Good Enough" or "Technically Superior". This suggest that "Good Enough" is a lie...give that some thought. Fact is it is TECHNICALLY superior. That folks is just life. Fact is Good Enough MIGHT BE. 

 

Problem is that the use of words like may, could and might let you know that SUPERIOR HAS A CONTEXT.  Give that some thought. AMSOIL has an entire marketing strategy base on a very specific CONTEXT. A context that is literally irrelevant if you change oil often enough even using a Group I. It gets relevant IF and only IF extended OCI's are employed that the lesser oil would not endure.

 

These "TEST", ASTM SAE and ILSAC, are by design of a nature test that totally exceed what an 'average motor' would ever be expected to endure. You have no idea how I hate the Shell Four Ball Test. Totally irrelevant to anything but deep hole well drilling. 

 

What are we left with? Dad use to say the best lies were 90% truth or you wouldn't believe them. You job is sorting out the 10% and in most cases when it concerns marketing it is in the CONTEXT.

 

POA/Ester BLENDS 

Group III 'Marketing Synthetic"

Group II "Marketing Synthetic"

Group II

Group I

 

For commercially viable automotive oils that is the pecking order of technically superior. AMSOIL is in fact technically superior. Isn't a question of superiority if AMSOIL oil scores a 3 and Joe Blows oil scores a 10 IF your requirement is 2. Question is can you use it at a cost effective means and take advantage of it's longer OCI....assuming your trusting enough. 

 

I didn't choose Red Line solely on technical merit. I chose it because the company is WILLING to tell me what is in the bottle. Because with a bit of UAO feed back I can tell if the add package advertised is a lie or the truth. In other words I chose Red Line because the passed the spot light of a fact check. I don't even know what is in a bottle of Super Tech and Warren isn't going to say given a lack of oversight and common sense. I do know what's in a bottle of AMSOIL and recently added to my arsenal. 

 

SO one might ask Grumpy Bear if all is so why do you change oil on 5K OCI's and cool oil to the point a Group I would survive? Well...I'd tell ya but then...….

 

 

[TXGREEK]

So you don’t like it. That doesn’t make it bad. Ever wonder why Amsoil not a national advertised product like others does so well? I would say responsible people check it out do their own testing. Are surprised will the results, then tell others. We were so impressed in the nighties we back our customers engines if they switch. Hundreds not just a few. These were (are) heavy duty off road clearing equipment. We tested with our own personal vehicles. Some were highly modified. Some were regulators at the drag strip. Does everyone need it probably not. You certainly can do a lot worse.


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Gotta appreciate a mans life long experiences, always going to be critics, I’ve grown up with them around, most are still in the same place I left them at. Knowledge from experience is what sets everyone free from the way it once was. Now a days, motors aren’t anything like they used to be, much more added moving parts with enormously tighter tolerances requiring superior protection and this is where Amsoil far surpasses them all. I’ve always enjoyed hearing from experienced individuals such as yourself Karnut. I’ve grown up on board ships and you outdoor equipment, both had something to lose if our equipment broke down but you’ve got much more experience on Amsoil than I do and the extreme importance of using products that prolong the life of your motors for continuous use versus keeping them running for the job.


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[TXGREEK]

Btw, I’m still waiting for at least a freaking hat from Amsoil, considering the amount of oil and products I purchase and use through them. It’s been two months and still haven’t had a reply to my request for a free hat lol! [emoji848]


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[Black02Silverado]

10 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:

Btw, I’m still waiting for at least a freaking hat from Amsoil, considering the amount of oil and products I purchase and use through them. It’s been two months and still haven’t had a reply to my request for a free hat lol!


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As a Preferred Customer, you receive credit points that you can use toward each purchase.

[Grumpy Bear]

26 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

So you don’t like it. That doesn’t make it bad. Ever wonder why Amsoil not a national advertised product like others does so well? I would say responsible people check it out do their own testing. Are surprised will the results, then tell others. We were so impressed in the nighties we back our customers engines if they switch. Hundreds not just a few. These were (are) heavy duty off road clearing equipment. We tested with our own personal vehicles. Some were highly modified. Some were regulators at the drag strip. Does everyone need it probably not. You certainly can do a lot worse.


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I use to offer FREE Red Line oil in this context to Harley riders. Let me do a three hole fill on you TC88 and if you can't FEEL the difference by the end of the block I'll eat the cost and refill for free with anything you like. I NEVER had a guy come back and ask for anything else. Of course if he liked it, he paid me. I like getting paid. I did have one fella so hung up on his Mobil 1 he refused to even try it. 

 

That's how impressed I was with it first time I used it. I was even more impressed when I noted how much lower my oil temperatures were. I've never used any oil that gives a lower bulk oil temperature in an air cooled motor than Red Line and yes I've put AMSOIL to the test in that regard. It came in second of a dozen or so oils I tired. 

[TXGREEK]

As a Preferred Customer, you receive credit points that you can use toward each purchase.

Somebody’s gotta have a word with their customer service department lol


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[Grumpy Bear]

6 minutes ago, Black02Silverado said:

As a Preferred Customer, you receive credit points that you can use toward each purchase.

How many points is a hat? 

[Black02Silverado]

9 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

How many points is a hat? 

About the easiest way to explain it is here.