Full Synthetic is NOT 100% Synthetic, it’s a marketing gimmick! Amsoil is real 100% Synthetic motor oil!

TXGREEK · October 13, 2019

I run both diesels and gas truck engines. I use Schaeffer in both. I use Schaeffer 7000 15/40 CK4 in summer and 7000 10/30 CK4 in winter in my diesels. My gas engines get Schaeffer 9000 5w30 year round.

I would have nothing against using Mobil/Delvac products if I wasn't using Schaeffer in my diesels. For my gassers, probably one of the SOPUS/Shell products. My wife 2006 Cadillac CTS 3.6, GM says it needs M1 5w30. I have used only Pennzoil Conventional 10w30 in it. A look at the testing results done by the Petroleum Quality Institute of America shows why..... I have no clue what Shell is doing with that product, but it blew away M1 and it gives Amsoil 5w30 and 10w30 a run for its money. It has a very heavy dose of molybdenum in it which is a very good thing, a great balance of Calcium and ZDDP complimented by Boron, and it has a NOACK level lower than M1 and close to Amsoil Signature. And I can get this oil for $18 for 5qt jug at my local farm and home store. Kinda knocks the argument that Group IV is the best argument on its ass.

http://www.pqiadata.org/Pennzoil10W30.html

It’s great that you’ve got your favorite oil pinned down and at such a great price. My favorite will always be Amsoil then Redline (which I haven’t used) for their added protective packages. Most people just get the cheapest oil meeting minimum requirements doing extended oil change intervals and later having issues, always pointing the finger at the manufacturers.

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TXGREEK · October 13, 2019

Grumpy Bear, you think maybe I should use half Amsoil and the other half Redline?

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TXGREEK · October 13, 2019

Does anyone have any input in the new Rotella 0w20 extreme protection full synthetic?

I’ve always used Rotella T6 in my diesels, any test results done by Blackstone or other testing?

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Cowpie · October 13, 2019

1 hour ago, TXGREEK said:

It’s great that you’ve got your favorite oil pinned down and at such a great price. My favorite will always be Amsoil then Redline (which I haven’t used) for their added protective packages. Most people just get the cheapest oil meeting minimum requirements doing extended oil change intervals and later having issues, always pointing the finger at the manufacturers.

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Agree. But the cheapest in price is not always reflective the quality. Periodic sales pricing confirms that. The best one can do is find a oil that fits within their comfort zone and they sleep well at night using. And pay as little as possible for it. It takes a really lame modern oil of the proper spec to cause issues with an engine. Even most of the store label oils are more than up to the task. It is extremely rare that anyone has actual oil related issues. Most times it is operator screw up that is the problem or poor OEM design.

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TXGREEK · October 13, 2019

Here’s a little video I dug up on the 0w20 Rotella

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TXGREEK · October 13, 2019

Here we go

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Cowpie · October 14, 2019

1 hour ago, TXGREEK said:

Amsoil is up at group 4 and 5 being 100% synthetic/with added 100% synthetic additives. I’ve heard Schaefer makes a pretty good oil for HD’s. Blackstone Labs would be a great place to visit for 100% scientific results without the theories and she said he said.

I take a little exception to some of that. Amsoil rarely uses any Group V. They primarily use Group III and Group IV. Also, I would love to see synthetic calcium, synthetic sodium, synthetic zinc, synthetic phosphorus, synthetic boron, synthetic molybdenum, etc. I have never seen synthetic versions of these additives. All of these a common additives in motor oils including Amsoil, Redline, and all the shelf and store brands.

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TXGREEK · October 14, 2019

Watch this video, Amsoil versus everyone else.

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TXGREEK · October 14, 2019

Here we go

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After watching this test results, it’s garbage and shouldn’t be called extreme protection. It’s also going up against conventional oil not even full synthetic!

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Cowpie · October 14, 2019

And while Amsoil is a good product, it gets all of its base and and additives from the same places as everyone else. They get the majority of their Group IV from Mobil. They get most of their add packs from Infineum (Shell) and Lubrizol (Berkshire Hathaway... you know, Warren Buffet). Much of their Group III base oil comes from Chevron and Shell. Amsoil makes nothing. They are a blender, just like Warren Distribution, Schaeffer, and many other brands.

Amsoil does tweak the blend from the basic spec it is blending to meet, and that does lead to some better features in some of their products. But Schaeffer, for one, also does similar.

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kwOH · October 14, 2019

What oil/filter does the dealer use?

Cowpie · October 14, 2019

18 minutes ago, kwOH said:

What oil/filter does the dealer use?

Whatever meets the spec and they can source from the lowest cost supplier. When my wife was buying her 2017 Equinox, I had a long chat with the dealership manager about this. He knew I was in business and used a lot of various lube products and was wanting to find another source for his bulk oil. I referred him to a couple of local distributors and told him to get some bids. I have no clue what he ended up going with.

Now, for vehicle models that have specific brand recommendations like Mobil 1, the dealer carries some of that. And boy, do they charge a premium for it.

I may have ragged on Amsoil, but I do use some of their niche products. Actually, I use about 5 different brands of lubes and oils. I am not a loyalist to any one brand for everything.

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TXGREEK · October 14, 2019

And while Amsoil is a good product, it gets all of its base and and additives from the same places as everyone else. They get the majority of their Group IV from Mobil. They get most of their add packs from Infineum (Shell) and Lubrizol (Berkshire Hathaway... you know, Warren Buffet). Much of their Group III base oil comes from Chevron and Shell. Amsoil makes nothing. They are a blender, just like Warren Distribution, Schaeffer, and many other brands.

Amsoil does tweak the blend from the basic spec it is blending to meet, and that does lead to some better features in some of their products. But Schaeffer, for one, also does similar.

There’s a Blackstone Lab result that shews Amsoil and Redline were better than schaeffer, but it’s still good oil. I spoke with Amsoil direct, their Signature Series oil is 4and 5 not 3’s.

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Cowpie · October 14, 2019

19 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:

There’s a Blackstone Lab result that shews Amsoil and Redline were better than schaeffer, but it’s still good oil. I spoke with Amsoil direct, their Signature Series oil is 4and 5 not 3’s.

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Better in what way? Just saying "better" doesn't quantify anything. It needs to be broken down and shown what aspects of the results are better. Just having a lower NOACK for instance does not always equate to better real world results. A valid comparison of results would show actual results from similar motors in similar situations.

Group IV has a limited ability to keep additives in suspension. Group III has a far better ability in this regard. Amsoil's OE line is all Group III. Amsoil's XL is a blend of Group III and Group IV. Amsoil's Signature, while primarily Group IV, has some group III to aid in keeping the add pack in suspension. I have never seen a claim of using Group V in its Signature line. And if they do, what is the Group V being used? A Ester? Polyalkalene Glycol (PAG), Polyester, or maybe a Biolube? Some of these would not be advisable in a engine, but they are all Group V. Maybe Amsoil has some Group V in some niche products like compressor oils and such

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Grumpy Bear · October 14, 2019

Asking which Group V is like asking which Group IV. The point would be pointless as the only ones that know are those that make it and those that for whatever reason have done ion chromatograms. There are a few published if you go looking for them. Shell Advance Ultra, 10W-40 for example is primarily Tetratriacontane C34H70. A highly refined Group III. Long chain Alkane. Yea...fully synthetic...LOL Source? Okay:

Characterization of Thermal Stability of Synthetic and
Semi-Synthetic Engine Oils
Anand Kumar Tripathi 1 and Ravikrishnan Vinu

Department of Chemical Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology Madras,

Solubility is about polarity and as stated straight up POA's are highly unipolar. ALL of them. One could use any number of Diesters, Polyol-Esters or PAG's and yes Group III mineral oils and ALL of them have been used successfully and commercially.

TX stated he spoke with AMSOIL direct and was told Group IV and Group V. He wasn't and won't be told exactly which ones. Badgering him won't produce a result you would believe anyway.

Do you know which Group's Schiefer is made from? Do you have the ion chromatograms?

He asked, they answered. Done deal.

Could they have lied? Sure. Marketing is the business of lies artfully told.

So now what shall will we argue about?