Why would you buy a V8?

Nanotech Environmental · July 31, 2019

5 hours ago, Donstar said:

I don't understand the connection with this topic and religion. My understanding is that we are contributing to changes in our climate. These changes are having negative consequences. If running my private vehicle on electricity will help slow this impact on the environment then this is a change I will seriously consider. If you have information that demonstrates that traditional automotive engines aren't contributing to harming our climate then please share. We are on this forum to share and learn. I apologise if you interpret my contributions as religious, political or confrontational.

I think the problem is that man made 'Climate change' is still a totally unproven and highly disputed issue.
We do know that 'climate change' is a natural occurrence and always has been.
We do know that it's being pushed by very rich people with clear agendas.
We do know that those agendas are not for our benefit.
We do know that those same people control the media and what the message is. (think about that........)
We do know that they are using it to force new taxes on us, which will do nothing for 'climate change'. (think about where those tax dollars will ultimately end up)
We do know that those pushing 'climate change' are the worst offenders. (pure hypocrisy)
We do know that they have changed the 'climate change' gospel several times since the 70's; Global cooling, Global warming (neither were happening more than they would naturally) Now they use 'climate change as a catch-all, so they can always shoot the arrow and then draw the target around it and force us to pay.

Given that it is unproven, it can be considered a 'religion'.......

The key is;
Ask why?
Cui Bono?
Follow the money. Always follow the money.

That's where the truth lies.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Nanotech Environmental

j-ten-ner · July 31, 2019

Here we go.

Get your foil-hats out!

so long

j-ten-ner

HeySkippyDog · July 31, 2019

Here's another thing to think about. I mentioned the charging rate in my earlier post. To pack that much electricity into a battery that quickly, you are going to generate a lot of heat. A LOT of heat. Remember a few years ago when those "hoverboards" came out and they were catching people's houses on fire?

It was the charger. The battery would be screaming hot after being discharged from use, and they'd immediately plug it into a charger with no thermal cutoff. Electricity doesn't flow so well when it's hot, which causes current to increase until something melts or catches on fire and breaks the circuit in the process.

I have a battery powered leaf blower. After I use it to blow off the driveway and walkways, the battery pack is scorching inside.

With regards to charging a battery with the energy of a gasoline V8, the only way to avoid a meltdown is a slow charge. That might be ok for day-to-day driving depending on the range, but what about a longer trip? Maybe instead of charging stations, you swap out your depleted battery for a charged one and pay a fee, like propane exchange?

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Nanotech Environmental · July 31, 2019

3 minutes ago, j-ten-ner said:

Here we go.

Get your foil-hats out!

so long

j-ten-ner

Ummm, I think you're referring to CNN, MSNBC, NBC, WaPo, NYT etc. They are the tinfoil hat crowd.

magnum74 · July 31, 2019

The infrastructure required to switch over from hydrocarbon is mind boggling. I'd prefer a Jetson's flying car myself.

KARNUT · July 31, 2019

I think the problem is that man made 'Climate change' is still a totally unproven and highly disputed issue.
We do know that 'climate change' is a natural occurrence and always has been.
We do know that it's being pushed by very rich people with clear agendas.
We do know that those agendas are not for our benefit.
We do know that those same people control the media and what the message is. (think about that........)
We do know that they are using it to force new taxes on us, which will do nothing for 'climate change'. (think about where those tax dollars will ultimately end up)
We do know that those pushing 'climate change' are the worst offenders. (pure hypocrisy)
We do know that they have changed the 'climate change' gospel several times since the 70's; Global cooling, Global warming (neither were happening more than they would naturally) Now they use 'climate change as a catch-all, so they can always shoot the arrow and then draw the target around it and force us to pay.

Given that it is unproven, it can be considered a 'religion'.......

The key is;
Ask why?
Cui Bono?
Follow the money. Always follow the money.

That's where the truth lies.

One person who made a lot of money pushing man made climate change is Al Gore. He now lives in an oversized house on the coast. That’s supposed to be underwater now. According to him, caused by us.

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magnum74 · July 31, 2019

11 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

One person who made a lot of money pushing man made climate change is Al Gore. He now lives in an oversized house on the coast. That’s supposed to be underwater now. According to him, caused by us.

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There is definitely a trend of elite trying to rid the world of fuel. It's hard to take them seriously when you look at their lifestyles and carbon footprints. Didn't one of them make a comment about how plane fares should be increased to reduce flying, as in only the wealthy would be able to afford flight?

They've been building electric vehicles for decades at this point and they've not caught on. They aren't realistic for the masses or cross country travel and flight. I think what is realistic are better hybrids including pickups.

What will the cost and footprint be for every house to have a charge port or for charging stations equivalent to gas stations? Until you can charge a car/pickup battery in less than 5 minutes on the road and get 400miles of range these will remain a niche for those who do short trips in cities or for those who want them as second vehicles. Hybrids make much more sense for the average person on a day to day basis.

Why don't the elite push for top notch hybrids to compliment gasoline engines instead of trying to totally turn the world upside down? This will come at our expense and not theirs.

swathdiver · July 31, 2019

2 hours ago, magnum74 said:

They've been building electric vehicles for decades at this point and they've not caught on.

Actually, electric vehicles were some of the first cars, over a hundred years ago. Tech is cool but it ought not to be subsidized by the government, ie, forced on the taxpayers. It should stand or fall based on the principals of free enterprise.

9 hours ago, Donstar said:

If you have information that demonstrates that traditional automotive engines aren't contributing to harming our climate then please share.

Well, let me flip this back at you, what evidence is there that they are? Don't accept these false premises, this is about power and control and wealth redistribution and the masters of deceit have many useful idiots to advance their agenda. It's ultimately a spiritual problem.

Donstar · July 31, 2019

22 minutes ago, swathdiver said:

Actually, electric vehicles were some of the first cars, over a hundred years ago. Tech is cool but it ought not to be subsidized by the government, ie, forced on the taxpayers. It should stand or fall based on the principals of free enterprise.

Well, let me flip this back at you, what evidence is there that they are? Don't accept these false premises, this is about power and control and wealth redistribution and the masters of deceit have many useful idiots to advance their agenda. It's ultimately a spiritual problem.

NASA has a good website on climate. I am not sure if you will consider this a reputable source. I appreciate that "Climate change" and "global warming" are terms that can trigger emotion and debate. The controversy is not new. The impact on the environment by humans has long been a concern and protested/debated since I was in school during the 1960's! Believe it or not, we are seeing the impacts of climate change in North America. Some of it is human caused. How much is debatable but it is significant. For me, this has nothing to do with "idiots to advance their agenda". We should be doing what we can for our youth and those yet to be born!

swathdiver · July 31, 2019

2 hours ago, Donstar said:

NASA has a good website on climate. I am not sure if you will consider this a reputable source. I appreciate that "Climate change" and "global warming" are terms that can trigger emotion and debate. The controversy is not new. The impact on the environment by humans has long been a concern and protested/debated since I was in school during the 1960's! Believe it or not, we are seeing the impacts of climate change in North America. Some of it is human caused. How much is debatable but it is significant. For me, this has nothing to do with "idiots to advance their agenda". We should be doing what we can for our youth and those yet to be born!

There's a difference between conservation and pollution and the political agenda and terms of "climate change", "global warming", "global cooling", etc.

NASA and NOAA have been busted fudging the numbers several times, there is no difference in temperatures between today and when temps first began to be recorded.

With the reduction in smog over Los Angeles, has the temperatures changed over the years? No. The double talking political scientists will say smog increases temperatures and then with another bag of taxpayer grant money will say smog blocks the suns rays and causes temperatures to go down.

All good people will be concerned about pollution and conserving what man has been given dominion over. These are the same people who said we were destroying the forests by using paper bags to bring our groceries home. Now, our grocery bags are made from plastic which is made from oil and does not easily degrade and has made an even bigger mess. Glass bottles sink to the bottom of the sea and when broken get churned up like the sea shells. Plastic bottles do not degrade quickly, they float and get consumed by creatures thinking they are squid or jelly-fish and when they do break up from the sun's rays, they stay suspended in the water column. it's an even bigger problem on land. These are the same fools who lied about the ozone layer and freon and other gases used for spray cans and refrigerants, the same morons who took aim at BPA and said it caused hundreds of maladies and is the reason why our foods do not keep for long anymore. Lies upon lies upon lies. Why would anyone give these people any sort of credence?

I'll stick with God's Word, it is completely true and can be totally relied upon.

Donstar · July 31, 2019

I appreciate your well articulated, thoughtful response. No matter whether we interpret information differently our influence on the environment deserves such careful consideration. The more we share, the more informed opinions will follow!

Donstar · July 31, 2019

Many of you probably already saw this headline, GM Electric Pickup Planned To Take On Rivian, Ford, And Tesla https://www.motor1.com/news/347308/gmc-electric-pickup-announcement/ There must be a significant anticipated demand for electric pickups to justify such an announcement. The current advertised specs and price of the Rivian will only be improved upon by Ford and GM which should make for viable, and desirable alternatives to their traditional power options.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Donstar

Imcrazy · July 31, 2019

18 hours ago, Donstar said:

I don't think egos will need to die but the terminology will change. There will still be the needs/wants discussions over power and performance. I suspect you will see parking spaces equipped like this become much more widespread, allowing you to keep your vehicle "topped up", while at work, shopping or other activities away from home. My cell phone comes to mind....

I don't know there is something carnal about hearing 8 cylinders open up when you mash the gas, the smell of gas burning etc.. Don't see how an electric motor whirling will get any guys primitive senses excited... My issue is I often put 3-400 miles on in a day and I'm not willing to go below a 1/2 tank of gas and I can't sit around and let my truck charge at a station as I don't always even stop for lunch... As others said, power goes out, etc... I just don't see electric vehicles as viable for the way many American's travel... W/ that said if you're just running around town most of the practical barriers are eliminated for city dwellers who might only drive a couple hundred miles a week... How about traveling to remote areas of rural America that barely have gas stations with credit card readers at the pumps let alone electric charging stations... You top off your cell phone with your truck that runs on gas :-)...

Imcrazy · July 31, 2019

17 hours ago, swathdiver said:

I thought religious talk was frowned upon here?

The climate changes every day, it rains here and not there, the sun rises every day in the east and sets in the west. The wind blows over there, then here, then somewhere else. Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant.

The first thing one learns about Communism is that it is built upon lie after lie and has no basis in reality, it's evil.

Long live the Small Block Chevy V8!

What is the usefulness of an electric vehicle after a hurricane knocks out the power for a few days, week(s) or a month? Zip, zero, nada. NO THANKS!

Well said... The climate is changing no doubt, pickup trucks & cars are a pimple on an elephants butt compared to the pollutants being released by industry especially in other countries like China... It's a false truth spun by those who stand to profit from selling these ultra complicated vehicles that only get a few more MPG than then did a few years ago... Look at my Truck, get's 18MPG all around, 10 years ago trucks were getting what 15mpg all around? Look at all the extra BS that goes into these trucks drives the cost up much more than the fuel savings I realize in the life time that I own the truck...

Up ahead, something ain't right,
It ain't a deer in my KC lights
Oh sweet Jesus, a city boy Prius
Slingin' up mud, so I start a singin'

Hey (hey) city boy stuck,
He's worthless as a one point buck,
He never heard of a four-wheel-drive,
Now he's spinnin' spinnin' spinnin' spinnin' spinnin' them tires

Hey (hey) city boy stuck

Penny-loafers didn't bring No luck,
Should I throw him a rope?
Nope, hell no, not me
I'm rollin' on goin' on by, yee yee

Back and forth, the mud got thicker
Kick good dirt on his Democrat sticker
Run his mouth, gettin' all pissed,
Well you shoulda' bought a car that you don't plug in

To answer the original question: Why would you buy a V8: Because 'Merica!!!

Edited July 31, 2019 by Imcrazy

Donstar · July 31, 2019

33 minutes ago, Imcrazy said:

I don't know there is something carnal about hearing 8 cylinders open up when you mash the gas, the smell of gas burning etc.. Don't see how an electric motor whirling will get any guys primitive senses excited... My issue is I often put 3-400 miles on in a day and I'm not willing to go below a 1/2 tank of gas and I can't sit around and let my truck charge at a station as I don't always even stop for lunch... As others said, power goes out, etc... I just don't see electric vehicles as viable for the way many American's travel... W/ that said if you're just running around town most of the practical barriers are eliminated for city dwellers who might only drive a couple hundred miles a week... How about traveling to remote areas of rural America that barely have gas stations with credit card readers at the pumps let alone electric charging stations... You top off your cell phone with your truck that runs on gas :-)...

(Optional onboard generator?) If the electric vehicle is to receive widespread acceptance, many logistics will need to be worked out and there would need to be overlap. On a smaller scale, the transition between leaded and unleaded gas was a multi year process. Also, it wasn't that long ago that the majority of trucks on Dealers' lots had 3 or 4 speed manual transmissions. Now, we only compare the number of speeds in our automatic transmissions. Ten years from now I'm sure your truck will produce more Kw of power than mine! (or whatever the jargon of the day)