From GM to Ford (Raptor) impressions if interested

QUIKAG · June 1, 2019

8 minutes ago, Imcrazy said:

That is a great deal on your GMC! Like you said $30k is a lot of extra $$ for basically just more cool factor...

Yeah, I thought the Raptor was cool, but the dealers weren’t and $30k difference is a lot of money. It’s not like a 6.2 Sierra SLT is a beater by a long shot.

Full disclosure, I got about $14.5k off and then I had $1.5k of GM card earnings I was able to redeem for right at $16k off. I was happy with the deal.

Imcrazy · June 1, 2019

37 minutes ago, QUIKAG said:

Yeah, I thought the Raptor was cool, but the dealers weren’t and $30k difference is a lot of money. It’s not like a 6.2 Sierra SLT is a beater by a long shot.

Full disclosure, I got about $14.5k off and then I had $1.5k of GM card earnings I was able to redeem for right at $16k off. I was happy with the deal.

14.5k is still really nice & yeah I had about $700 from my GM card which I used to buy the wife an Equinox last month... We got 14k off a 2018 Premier Sticker was 40k, kicker was it was a courtesy loaner which saved us about 4k of the 14k...

QUIKAG · June 1, 2019

6 hours ago, Imcrazy said:

14.5k is still really nice & yeah I had about $700 from my GM card which I used to buy the wife an Equinox last month... We got 14k off a 2018 Premier Sticker was 40k, kicker was it was a courtesy loaner which saved us about 4k of the 14k...

$26k for an Equinox Premier is a great deal. I’ve had a few as loaners when I’ve had my GM cars in the shop and they drive really nice and smooth. Nobody will beat on an equinox loaner so I think you did well. What engine did you get? The Diesel engine was pretty cool. Not fast, but really smooth and fun to drive. The 2.0 turbo gas is a strong engine.

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Imcrazy · June 1, 2019

2 hours ago, QUIKAG said:

$26k for an Equinox Premier is a great deal. I’ve had a few as loaners when I’ve had my GM cars in the shop and they drive really nice and smooth. Nobody will beat on an equinox loaner so I think you did well. What engine did you get? The Diesel engine was pretty cool. Not fast, but really smooth and fun to drive. The 2.0 turbo gas is a strong engine.

Yeah that is what I figured, it's not like it was a Camaro loaner lol, I basically paid less than most of the used 18's we were looking at and got more features... We got the 2.0T and I'm glad we did, it's a quick little vehicle... I am surprised how much I like driving it but, still prefer my truck for the most part...

Skidsareforkids · June 5, 2019

Just found a hat from our local Ford dealer in the back of my wife’s truck. Either she’s having an affair or she’s put something down on the Raptor I’ve been drooling over for a surprise [emoji55]

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KARNUT · June 5, 2019

WOW. We quit doing vehicle purchases for each other. I came home with a 96 impala ss to replace the 94 she was driving. She didn’t like the floor shift or the color. The next day the 94 ss was back and stayed for 8 years.

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Darksky · June 5, 2019

52 minutes ago, Skidsareforkids said:

Just found a hat from our local Ford dealer in the back of my wife’s truck. Either she’s having an affair or she’s put something down on the Raptor I’ve been drooling over for a surprise

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You guys are cute. Good Luck.

Skidsareforkids · June 6, 2019

It’s gone from their website [emoji50]

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crushNchowda · June 6, 2019

On 5/30/2019 at 8:10 PM, truckguy82 said:

Forgot to mention to you guys

I DD a stock 6.2 with a black bear tune.

I recently took a trip to florida and rented a navigator. It has the same engine and trans as the raptor.

It wasn’t slow, but definitely not as fast as my 6.2. Not sure how much the navi weighs though.

BTW, off topic, but holy shit is the navigator nice inside. Literally the nicest vehicle I’ve ever been in or ever seen in person. Unreal.

Well - for starters I can tell you firsthand having owned 4 GM 1/2 tons w/ V8's (3x5.3's & 1x6.2) + multiple LSx equipped cars that the way in which Ford's 3.5 EB pulls & builds power is deceiving, it doesn't FEEL as fast as even a hemi V8 w/ the ZF 8 speed - but it is significantly quicker than that truck in particular. The muted exhaust note & very smooth 10 speed + dual turbo spool creates "sneaky" type acceleration. The Navi weighs 250-350 lbs more than a Raptor SCREW give or take some options. Its tranny is not tuned nearly as aggressively as the Raptor's in sport mode, it doesn't sport 4.10 gears, & it can't do AWD launches in the same way a Raptor can.

Your tuned 6.2 is definitely quicker than a stock fleet rental Navi (many fleet cars feel neutered to me anyhow), & it may be marginally quicker than a stock Raptor. Raptors weigh in around 5400-5500 lbs, a solid 350-400 lbs more than NEW GM 1/2 tons, but about equal or a little less than the K2 versions. The Raptors' power isn't the only thing aiding its acceleration figures for such a big truck - #1 that trick AWD enabled transfer case helps, #2 even though they're AT's the BFG's on the Raptor are C rated soft compound w/ a huge footprint = good grip, #3 4.10s - again, 4.10s, #4 the 10 speed tranny, #5 - an actual SPORT mode that works form the factory.

All those things combined + the 450hp/510tq enable it to drop a 5.2 0-60 run stock & a 13.9 1/4 @ 100mph

Definitely faster than stock K2 6.2's all around, but I think its a coin toss between a new GM w/ lighter body, 10 speed, & 6.2 - I believe they're a little slower to 60 & pretty much equal through the 1/4

That 0-60 time is real tough to match w/o the tires/gears/transfer case of the Raptor. TUNE ONLY guys are going 4.7 on 0-60, that time stopped holding meaning to me w/ all the speed/power out there these days until I started DD'ing a Raptor - you can repeatedly drop 4.7 runs around town & the grins never go away when you feel a near 3 ton truck rip off the line like a god damn rally car.

Lots of cars will get surprised by this because any slippage & they're looking @ truck tailights - not that I bought the thing to race people, its just a fact & it makes driving it very enjoyable.

I'll tell you what's REALLY cool - the fact they dropped a HO ecoboost in the lighter/smaller Aviator. That things pretty stout on paper.

Lastly - my biggest gripe w/ the Raptor has been the exhaust note, however there are companies out there finally bringing some decent systems to market - a few of which I've heard in person & literally make the truck sound like an exotic - Ford GTesque, but w/ more rumble or even GTR-ish when you add downpipes or external BOV.

FWIW - I guess you can get the same HO3.5 in the king ranch F150 - not sure if it'd be quicker or not, lighter weight but taller gearing & skinnier rubber.

I'm sticking w/ this rig for @ least 6 years - like I originally intended w/ on my Sierra til it got totaled - but not turned off by GM vehicles entirely, would like to see how the new gen trucks age & when its time for the wife to replace her SUV in a couple years certainly will give the Yukon/Trailblazer a look.

crushNchowda · June 6, 2019

On 5/30/2019 at 9:07 PM, Skidsareforkids said:

I test drove a 2019 Raptor today. There’s no way it’s as fast as my tuned 6.2 and it really didn’t feel any faster than my wife’s AT4. I’d need to drive them back to back though... Maybe the 35”s weigh it down?
It was very very nice, but I think I’m leaning more towards another Denali.

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Read my post above - the acceleration is deceiving, feels way different than a 6.2 V8 pulling. Also - if you check my original "review" - the Raptors DEFINITELY take couple thousand miles to break-in, I have 6500 miles on mine now & its way looser & pulls harder. Additionally, being a high compression high output turbo motor, its very sensitive to fuel quality - and technically 87 octane is all you "need" - so the truck you test drove is most likely no different than how mine was when I bought it, sitting on the lot w/ very limited test drives w/ a 1/2 tank of 4-6 month old crap quality 87 octane + fuel stabilizer. I even had some stuttering/misfiring/pinging initially until I dumped 2 cans of octane booster & topped off w/ 93

A tuned Raptor though? JESUS man you need to try one. They just got the tranny tuning down now. Researched alot of tuners/dynos/results - first of all the trucks dyno like +30-40hp/tq on STOCK tune just running 93 octane. With a tune you can add +100hp/tq, & unlike the old EB motors, this Raptor engine w/ revised heads/compression/bigger turbos + forged internals can easily handle it (any more power start needing larger intercooler etc) Check it out -

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