Post your latest oil change.

[customboss]

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 4 by customboss

[Grumpy Bear]

6 hours ago, customboss said:

THEY AREN’T MY OILS. I’m not owning or working for anyone anymore. EVEN WHEN I consulted I did not market for them. I TESTED INDEPENDENTLY until I worked for CUMMINS. 

The fact you personalize a brand shows me you are a novice. Talk talk 

 

I SAID you market IDEAS. Never said oils. YOUR ideas. THAT is what I said. 

 

You give me too much credit. You've tell me in nearly every post I can't tell/show you anything. I'm a novice, remember? You just said so. Read you post again. You missed your logic pill today. I personalized nothing and even if I did, YOU couldn't be 'Shown" anything by me. You talk in circles. 

 

Move on. You can't get what you are after flailing away at me. 

[Grumpy Bear]

Dizzy

2015 GMC Terrain Ecotec 2.4

263,000 miles

1K OCI

 

5 Quarts Supertech Conventional 10W30, no filter. 

[MaverickZ71]

WWE script writers watching the endless Customboss vs Grumpybear tennis match to get ideas for next week's airing of Friday Night Smackdown:

 

 

Anxiously awaiting further comment from Black02silverado, followed by AMSoil placement pitch.

Edited October 4 by MaverickZ71

[Grumpy Bear]

On 10/3/2024 at 10:54 AM, customboss said:

Ok grumpy B are you aware for sure what base oils are used in Phillips Petroleum owned and now  made Redline products? All of them? 

 

I needed to think on this awhile as this question requires a measured, accurate and thoughtful response. 

 

First the last question, "All of them". No. Just the HP line I use. 

 

How? By comparing physical properties. Pour points, flash points, NOACK, MRV, Oxidation levels in unused reference oils.  No single piece of information tells the story, but the cumulative results do. You know this so I assume this was a test.    If, I ask for a final QC on my current lot, I get it. 

 

And here's a killer. There is no "Read Across". IF there were it would have the API Starburst. 

 

60 to 120 oxidation levels says Esters. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 15 by Grumpy Bear

[customboss]

You don’t know for sure here’s why. 
 

https://www.lubesngreases.com/magazine/29_2/oleochemicals-companies-step-into-base-stocks-arena/

[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, customboss said:

You don’t know for sure here’s why. 
 

https://www.lubesngreases.com/magazine/29_2/oleochemicals-companies-step-into-base-stocks-arena/

 

So, they are lying on the bottle, the PDS, the SDS, outright in emails and labs can't tell me anything.  

 

That's a dark world.

 

It would also be litigious. A lawsuit a monkey could win. 

 

Read that article again. It's talking about market forces, not market outcomes. It calls out no one and just says which way the wind is blowing. 

 

I'm sure enough to bet my motors on it. 

 

 

[customboss]

5 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

So, they are lying on the bottle, the PDS, the SDS, outright in emails and labs can't tell me anything.  

 

That's a dark world.

 

It would also be litigious. A lawsuit a monkey could win. 

 

Read that article again. It's talking about market forces, not market outcomes. It calls out no one and just says which way the wind is blowing. 

 

I'm sure enough to bet my motors on it. 

 

 

Bottom line Grumps is you don't know for sure.  May upset you but I can guarantee you that unless you purchase a reasonable cost ,  formulations test and performance breakdown at SAVANT you won't know for sure.  

 

The idea I have always held as ideal a d realistic  is not caring how we get the performance as long as it does it a long enough time and at high enough performance as desired. 

 

You KNOW that any company  selling a product that can source a lower wholesale cost but get as good or better performance out of an alternate feedstock product is an idiot not to make it that way.  I know that chaps your saddle but it’s business even in lubricants formulating.  
 

 

 

 

Edited October 18 by customboss

[Grumpy Bear]

2024 Mitsubishi Mirage 1.2 MPFI Triple

@3K on the motor. 

1,982 mile OCI. 

3 Quarts Red Line HP Euro 5W40

Purolator PL14610 Filter

[Grumpy Bear]

19 hours ago, customboss said:

Bottom line Grumps is you don't know for sure.  May upset you but I can guarantee you that unless you purchase a reasonable cost ,  formulations test and performance breakdown at SAVANT you won't know for sure.  

 

The idea I have always held as ideal a d realistic  is not caring how we get the performance as long as it does it a long enough time and at high enough performance as desired. 

 

You KNOW that any company  selling a product that can source a lower wholesale cost but get as good or better performance out of an alternate feedstock product is an idiot not to make it that way.  I know that chaps your saddle but it’s business even in lubricants formulating.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the problem for you. I don't care what you believe or don't believe. It's the nature of knowing what is true and what is dung flung for the sake of creating distrust and doubt. I have no doubt. The physicals tell me what the what-what is. I don't need Savant to tell me what Phillps tells me and a half dozen other labs running UOA's has confirmed. 

 

2 + 2 = 4 in my world. I don't have to test that every five minutes to assure myself every time someone claims it equals PURPLE.

 

There is a reason this oil retails $16 a quart and not the $6 I just bought a jug of R&P for. 

 

Red Line, Torco, MPT, Ravenol. Neo, Penrite.... you don't LIKE these oils and don't trust them? Fine. I do. 

 

 I buy furniture from a Brick and Mortar. Solid Walnut, Cherry, Hickory and I know it is because I can see it is. Now by your argument I should distrust this because the BIG BOYS who are driven by margin say it's too expensive to use real solid wood.

 

Even Red Line has the products you speak of. This ain't that, and no amount of seeding distrust will change that. You're saying the only difference is the color of the bottle. 

 

Same thing is true in the automotive world sir. Not everyone is price point driven. Phillips didn't buy this business for additional blending volume. If they would have, they would have kept the California plant open. But they BUILT a new facility in the south. They have dozens of box store products. They bought a reputation and a science many use and DEMAND. And we are willing to pay for it.   

Edited October 18 by Grumpy Bear

[customboss]

9 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

 

 

Here's the problem for you. I don't care what you believe or don't believe. It's the nature of knowing what is true and what is dung flung for the sake of creating distrust and doubt. I have no doubt. The physicals tell me what the what-what is. I don't need Savant to tell me what Phillps tells me and a half dozen other labs running UOA's has confirmed. 

 

2 + 2 = 4 in my world. I don't have to test that every five minutes to assure myself every time someone claims it equals PURPLE.

 

There is a reason this oil retails $16 a quart and not the $6 I just bought a jug of R&P for. 

 

Red Line, Torco, MPT, Ravenol. Neo, Penrite.... you don't LIKE these oils and don't trust them? Fine. I do. 

 

 I buy furniture from a Brick and Mortar. Solid Walnut, Cherry, Hickory and I know it is because I can see it is. Now by your argument I should distrust this because the BIG BOYS who are driven by margin say it's too expensive to use real solid wood.

 

Even Red Line has the products you speak of. This ain't that, and no amount of seeding distrust will change that. You're saying the only difference is the color of the bottle. 

 

Same thing is true in the automotive world sir. Not everyone is price point driven. Phillips didn't buy this business for additional blending volume. If they would have, they would have kept the California plant open. But they BUILT a new facility in the south. They have dozens of box store products. They bought a reputation and a science many use and DEMAND. And we are willing to pay for it.   

You must be really scared. Unless you know the formulation constituents you guess. Used oil analysis from any lab you have chosen to review will NOT inform you of what you claim to grasp. 
Good luck. 

[Grumpy Bear]

49 minutes ago, customboss said:

You must be really scared. Unless you know the formulation constituents you guess. Used oil analysis from any lab you have chosen to review will NOT inform you of what you claim to grasp. 
Good luck. 

 

Scared of what? Your unsupported, unproven accusation? 

 

Here, I underlined below it in blue for you...

 

So, do a workup, but until YOU HAVE PROOF all you have is noise. WAIT....Unless.... .... Let me think......

 

Well, if you are rock solid on this, how about you march your little fanny perpendicular down to the AG's office and file a complaint of FRAUD against Phillis/Conoco. It cost you nothing but the blow back...

 

   

 

Put up or shut up. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[customboss]

On 10/18/2024 at 10:19 PM, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Scared of what? Your unsupported, unproven accusation? 

 

Here, I underlined below it in blue for you...

 

So, do a workup, but until YOU HAVE PROOF all you have is noise. WAIT....Unless.... .... Let me think......

 

Well, if you are rock solid on this, how about you march your little fanny perpendicular down to the AG's office and file a complaint of FRAUD against Phillis/Conoco. It cost you nothing but the blow back...

 

   

 

Put up or shut up. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK again you don’t know, I don’t know what their ester used , you came unglued about and seem to worship is.
I know that it could be about 200 different sources to get same result. I am pretty sure they use PAO sources from ConocoPhillips Chem. Same as RLI. I KNOW what RLI uses, HOBS. I KNOW redline non licensed racing and street formulas use more PAO than the ones I raced and tested 35 years ago. 
Take your meds and relax. Or switch to Amsoil and know your getting best traditional  formulation possible for the $$. 
It’s all good.  

[Grumpy Bear]

Dizzy

2015 GMC Terrian SLE

Ecotec 2.4 I-4

1,000 mile OCI

 

5 Quarts Valvoline R&P 5W30 

[diyer2]

Still haven't given up? How much money trying to fix this?