MSD Superconductor wires

Grumpy Bear · February 8, 2018

3 hours ago, joshc64311 said:

Wow, bunch of haters.

2 hours ago, DTOMKIDD said:

I know. Even after I stated they were primarily for looks the "experts" still roll in and tell me there's no benefit to them lol.

Your opening comparison says something different. You traded horses later in the thread. But lets ignore the obvious facts of the matter...

You're told the truth and you find it hateful? Interesting.

I see...well....I didn't see that coming. Please pardon me.

By all means, go back to your former and blissfully ignorant state.

BTW the dismissive quotations around expert...you know me do you? Good job. You ring the rude bell.

Edited February 8, 2018 by Grumpy Bear

Paintor · February 9, 2018

I was hoping for a more technical response from Grumpy that mentions requiring scopes and dwell times and touches on the Camaro and Vette boys finding our coils suck a maximum of 7 amps each and their technical data showing less resistance = power.

DTOMKIDD · February 9, 2018

Your opening comparison says something different. You traded horses later in the thread. But lets ignore the obvious facts of the matter...

You're told the truth and you find it hateful? Interesting.
I see...well....I didn't see that coming. Please pardon me.
By all means, go back to your former and blissfully ignorant state.

BTW the dismissive quotations around expert...you know me do you? Good job. You ring the rude bell.

Your right I did make a comparison between the resistance of the two wires but never stated one was better than the other. It was purely a test I performed out of boredom while waiting for my engine to cool down to replace spark plugs and wires.

And you must be an expert then since your telling me what you said is absolute truth. Other people on this thread have differing opinions from yours but yet I should just accept yours as truth? Excuse me as I go back to my former and blissfully ignorant state of enjoying the looks of my new MSD wires. Your name is pretty damn fitting by the way lol

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Paintor · February 9, 2018

Staying on track with technical data .....these here are THE best wires and coils for the L83 engine...

With these on your motor you WILL dyno 5 extra horsepower:

ZERO OHM PLUG WIRES.....

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/products/2014_Present_L83_5_3_L86_6_2_Truck_SUV_V_8_Hi_Perf_Coil_Near_Plug_Conn_and_Coil_Pack_Kit-3149-548.html

gone_fishing · February 9, 2018

I went with Taylor Cable 51044. Quality seems good and I paid around $31 for them. They are a little shorter then the OEM wires but they worked. Didn't notice any difference over OEM wires. Replaced plugs at 100,000 miles and figured I would replace wires at the same time.

DTOMKIDD · February 9, 2018

Staying on track with technical data .....these here are THE best wires and coils for the L83 engine...

With these on your motor you WILL dyno 5 extra horsepower:

ZERO OHM PLUG WIRES.....

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/products/2014_Present_L83_5_3_L86_6_2_Truck_SUV_V_8_Hi_Perf_Coil_Near_Plug_Conn_and_Coil_Pack_Kit-3149-548.html

That's a pretty impressive gain for only coils and wires. I'm guessing the coils contribute the most to the HP gain?

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Paintor · February 9, 2018

Yes, they increased voltage over stock. BUT they also have a reduced dwell time and fully recharge before their magnetic field collapses to discharge again.

By reducing dwell time, resistance, and increasing voltage to the plug ....may not be felt in the seat when you hammer it.....it can be detected at the dyno and 1/4 mile times....1/10th of a second shaved off.

Edited February 9, 2018 by Paintor

Grumpy Bear · February 9, 2018

2 hours ago, DTOMKIDD said:

Your right I did make a comparison between the resistance of the two wires but never stated one was better than the other. It was purely a test I performed out of boredom while waiting for my engine to cool down to replace spark plugs and wires.

And you must be an expert then since your telling me what you said is absolute truth. Other people on this thread have differing opinions from yours but yet I should just accept yours as truth? Excuse me as I go back to my former and blissfully ignorant state of enjoying the looks of my new MSD wires. Your name is pretty damn fitting by the way lol

I see, you believe that a consensus of 'other people on this thread' and their opinion is what constitutes absolutes of truth. Well sport, I didn't offer an 'opinion'. I offered support in YOUR defense against the incorrect opinion(s) of those 'others' who, as you yourself note, are 'differing [in] opinions'. Obvious to anyone and everyone but you... opinion can't therefor be the truth. It's why I don't offer them.

2 + 2 = 4 is not an opinion. It's a mathematical certainty. I offered a set of scientific truths of equal certainty. If you choose to not believe them that's your choice. To label them as 'hateful' isn't an opinion, it's just ignorant. To do that to someone who came to your defense???? I stand corrected. Your not blissful in your ignorance. Your inexcusable in it.

Grumpy Bear · February 9, 2018

5 hours ago, Paintor said:

I was hoping for a more technical response from Grumpy that mentions requiring scopes and dwell times and touches on the Camaro and Vette boys finding our coils suck a maximum of 7 amps each and their technical data showing less resistance = power.

Lite a keg of TNT with a match or light it with a burning building, the energy of the explosion is identical. Any spark that can light 99% of the available charges produces the same power and the same fuel efficiency. 5 hp on a 500 hp motor is 1% an even if the error were double that it's smaller than the statistical standard error of the math that produced the results and made the measurements. That's why I offered no such support to a inherently mathematically flawed statement. [ based on statistical certainty]. As I said. I don't offer opinions.

Yep you can measure things with a 'O' scope that you can't feel and wouldn't otherwise know it was there. It's a tool but not one that translates to the infallible. Sometimes not even the repeatable. What it is good for is selling ideas when in the hands of a marketing department with an agenda. Truth is most buyers are not formally educated and more like crows than informed consumers. These marketing types count on it. They, like their buyers, prefer 'likes' to facts and 'consensus' to truth.

Look. You can apply all this 'dwell and power' thing to a 1950 Royal Enfield motorcycle that uses a Lucas Kettering type ignition and get huge double digit gains in both power and fuel efficiency. I've gone down that rabbit hole. That ignition is that bad.

Not possible with a 1998 Honda Civic HX PCM controlled CDI coil over plug system. Spent over a grand in my more easy to influence years on a system to yield absolutely nothing but a rash of electronics failures from overloaded internal 'black box' circuits attempting to generate a zillion amps of plug gap energy Then there was dyno time and repair bills. But damn, it looked good all shiny and anodized and those dash indicator lights...whooooo. 'O' scope said Kill'a, dyno said Guppy. Why? The Honda HX twin wide band lean burn ignition was already that good.

I'm not buying in to a 2016-18 Corvette or Camaro either no matter how low the resistance is. Current systems in a good state of tune and repair are already as flawless as humans can manage. There are no 'elfin cookies' to be had. If you're getting a measureable repeatable improvement based on a plug wire alone, it was flawed to begin with.

If it only takes 2 amps to lite the fire then an additional 1,000 more won't produce an higher BMEP. It will work on your systems reliability however. Oh and your wallet. It will also teach you the difference between marketing facts and the scientific truths.

God makes the rules but he forces no one to believe them. Who am I to insist?

Edited February 9, 2018 by Grumpy Bear

Paintor · February 9, 2018

LoL....you owned a Civic money pit....

Seem to be repeating history emptying your wallet on that Sierra changing all the factory suspension in pursuit of a Cadillac ride on a pickemup truck.

Grumpy Bear · February 9, 2018

1 hour ago, Paintor said:

LoL....you owned a Civic money pit....

Seem to be repeating history emptying your wallet on that Sierra changing all the factory suspension in pursuit of a Cadillac ride on a pickemup truck.

Actually we've owned three Civics. The first was hands down the best car I've ever owned. The second was a bit less refined but just as reliable and economical. The third has been a disappointment and yet we've managed to wring 210K out her so far and still driving it. My 76 Corvette. Now that was a money pit.

My admitted mistake with the Honda was in attempting to improve something that wasn't flawed. I own that mistake. Learned from it. Share it's lessons with others. And yet you sneer. And how would you respond to someone who did you ill? I wonder?

I don't own a Sierra. It's a Silverado. I didn't attempt anything. I succeeded. It, unlike the Honda, wasn't flawless. Your short on facts and long on ridicule. Where do you put that in your tool box? There not very useful tools.

joshc64311 · February 9, 2018

1 minute ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Actually we've owned three Civics. The first was hands down the best car I've ever owned. The second was a bit less refined but just as reliable and economical. The third has been a disappointment and yet we've managed to wring 210K out her so far and still driving it. My 76 Corvette. Now that was a money pit.

My admitted mistake with the Honda was in attempting to improve something that wasn't flawed. I own that mistake. Learned from it. Share it's lessons with others. And yet you sneer. And how would you respond to someone who did you ill? I wonder?

I don't own a Sierra. It's a Silverado. I didn't attempt anything. I succeeded. It, unlike the Honda, wasn't flawless. Your short on facts and long on ridicule. Where do you put that in your tool box? There not very useful tools.

You suck

Grumpy Bear · February 9, 2018

28 minutes ago, joshc64311 said:

You suck

Took me twenty minutes to stop laughing and it took you only two minutes to distil a first class masterpiece of word craft. I trust you used ninety seconds of that checking spelling. Might I suggest that If you would have taken three; punctuation would give a complete the sentence?

It would be a guess as to the exact meaning of your comment. What isn't a guess it what it tells others about yourself.

diyer2 · February 9, 2018

1 hour ago, joshc64311 said:

You suck

IMO

Grumpy Bear was offering sound advice, not bashing you.

You're age (guessing still wet behind the ears) and your level of mental ability are shining through.

Weather you like it or not there are people who have forgotten more than you know.

joshc64311 · February 9, 2018

1 hour ago, diyer2 said:

IMO

Grumpy Bear was offering sound advice, not bashing you.

You're age (guessing still wet behind the ears) and your level of mental ability are shining through.

Weather you like it or not there are people who have forgotten more than you know.

IMO

grumpy bear like to sh!t in cereal, and I guess I am wet behind the ears but I have better things to do than to voice my opinion when it's not needed! Did you guys ever hear the saying TOO EACH HIS OWN?