4.3 V6 gone in 2019?

[KARNUT]

So does a Yugo

 

 

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[Grumpy Bear]

23 hours ago, Imcrazy said:

Seeing as how I have sold several million dollars of product in my short career as a sales person, I'd say I'm damn good at debating... It's always clear that I have won a debate like this when the person I am debating with resorts to acting like you have in this post... I clearly am secure in my truck/motor choices - you need to defend yours and its to the point where it upsets you this much lol...  Because you like slower trucks ?

Clear? A win? Really?  ROTFLMAO. You haven't sold me anything have you? So what victory, exactly,  do you claim? That's a pretty strange definition for a win. You don't like the way I said No. It's quite an ego that would believe so. 

 

But you ask a question worthy of a reply. 

 

To quote from the above. "If you didn't get the V6 to save money why did you get it?"

 

First let's start with the lie in the question. I highlighted it for you. Don't believe you can find a place I stated such a motive and it's a neat trick to put words in a mans mouth to defend he didn't actually say. Sales? Really?  

 

It is a limited point of view to believe that absolute power is the only metric that can be considered a measure of performance. Fact is that one of the most important metrics in endurance racing is BSFC. (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption). Mine too for that matter.

 

Another is power per liter and power per volume and also power per ton mass. There is also the consideration of the elegance in simplicity of design. It appeals to the Engineer in me. I have about a dozen more but this is enough I believe to run brute power out of town on rail tarred and feathered. In which of the preceding does the 5.3 advantage the 4.3? Let me help you with that. NONE.  BTW your brute power numbers are not all that in any meaningful terms. Nor even in absolutes for that matter. You ever hear of a little motor called  the stock block Buick Indy V-6. Rover? Maserati? Buick Gran National? 

 

Your reply indicates that your one of those guys that believes a thing is so because you say it so louder than most and often enough to believe your own words. The builders of the Titanic were equally secure in their choices, where they not? And wrong! Dead wrong. So are you about me..

 

Quote: Because you like slower trucks?" Really? Slower than what. Making it to the next fuel stop? The next payment? The next lifter failure/cam failure? Great! I'm good with that. I have a motor that makes more power than I use already. So my need for more would be what, exactly? 

 

BTW sport, I'm not the one who called anyone a liar. And I didn't lie about what someone did or didn't say. Reread your post(s) then put the dog under the porch. It don't hunt. No Sale!!!

[Imcrazy]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Clear? A win? Really?  ROTFLMAO. You haven't sold me anything have you? So what victory, exactly,  do you claim? That's a pretty strange definition for a win. You don't like the way I said No. It's quite an ego that would believe so. 

 

But you ask a question worthy of a reply. 

 

To quote from the above. "If you didn't get the V6 to save money why did you get it?"

 

First let's start with the lie in the question. I highlighted it for you. Don't believe you can find a place I stated such a motive and it's a neat trick to put words in a mans mouth to defend he didn't actually say. Sales? Really?  

 

It is a limited point of view to believe that absolute power is the only metric that can be considered a measure of performance. Fact is that one of the most important metrics in endurance racing is BSFC. (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption). Mine too for that matter.

 

Another is power per liter and power per volume and also power per ton mass. There is also the consideration of the elegance in simplicity of design. It appeals to the Engineer in me. I have about a dozen more but this is enough I believe to run brute power out of town on rail tarred and feathered. In which of the preceding does the 5.3 advantage the 4.3? Let me help you with that. NONE.  BTW your brute power numbers are not all that in any meaningful terms. Nor even in absolutes for that matter. You ever hear of a little motor called  the stock block Buick Indy V-6. Rover? Maserati? Buick Gran National? 

 

Your reply indicates that your one of those guys that believes a thing is so because you say it so louder than most and often enough to believe your own words. The builders of the Titanic were equally secure in their choices, where they not? And wrong! Dead wrong. So are you about me..

 

Quote: Because you like slower trucks?" Really? Slower than what. Making it to the next fuel stop? The next payment? The next lifter failure/cam failure? Great! I'm good with that. I have a motor that makes more power than I use already. So my need for more would be what, exactly? 

 

BTW sport, I'm not the one who called anyone a liar. And I didn't lie about what someone did or didn't say. Reread your post(s) then put the dog under the porch. It don't hunt. No Sale!!!

That's a very long way of saying that you prefer a V6 because it's more economical / more efficient and quite frankly I see nothing wrong with that from the stand point of a consumer such as yourself nor any shame in it... Less cylinders = less parts = less chances of a repair = cost/time savings... Nothing wrong with that... I simply have always been of the position that I buy the biggest motor I can reasonably afford and I don't really concern myself with the cost as I feel the benefit of superior performance is well worth the cost... You can always make more money but, you can't replace the fun or security of having a vehicle that can pass on demand and outrun the traffic on an on-ramp... Just my preference and I make no bones about it, when it comes to vehicles I am not super price sensitive, clearly since 2013 I've have a 40k, a 50k and now another 40k truck in my garage if price was my primary motivator when selecting a vehicle I would have bought a Honda Accord.... If you like your V6 that is great, not bad motors, I wouldn't even call 'em little at 4.3L, I am very pleased with the 3.6 in my current Colorado however, in my opinion and the majority of other GM truck buyers the 5.3 is the best value out there as it is clearly the sales leader - look at trucks for sale that aren't WT models, I'd say 90% are running a 5.3 engine under the hood. People vote with their dollars and most of those green backs go towards a 5.3L V8 in a Silverado bought today...

[Donstar]

 "5.3 is the best value out there as it is clearly the sales leader"    I don't argue that the 5.3 is a popular engine.  I had one in my last truck and even though it burned copious amounts of oil, it was a strong motor.  I chose that truck because of all of the features and the engine is what came with the package.  This time I paid more attention on the engine choice and found salesmen pushing the 5.3.  Finding a well equipped 4X4 CC standard bed with a 4.3 wasn't easy.  We can believe that 5.3's are the most common because they are popular or they are the most popular because they are the most common.  The middle engine size in a lineup is definitely a safe choice. 
 

[j-ten-ner]

2 hours ago, Imcrazy said:

...and outrun the traffic on an on-ramp...

This is getting ridiculous...lol

For the guys who still don't know how to merge onto a highway, here a video of a driving lesson in a German driving school.

Let her show you how it's done. Watch and learn.

 

 

so long

j-ten-ner

[Campier]

7 hours ago, j-ten-ner said:

This is getting ridiculous..

 

For the guys who still don't know how to merge onto a highway, here a video of a driving lesson in a German driving school.Let her show you how it's done. Watch and learn.

 

I already know how to drive. I haven't had a ticket or a crash in 28 years. I am more skilled than most drivers!

[Grumpy Bear]

14 hours ago, Imcrazy said:

That's a very long way of saying that you prefer a V6 because it's more economical / more efficient and quite frankly I see nothing wrong with that from the stand point of a consumer such as yourself nor any shame in it... Less cylinders = less parts = less chances of a repair = cost/time savings... Nothing wrong with that... I simply have always been of the position that I buy the biggest motor I can reasonably afford and I don't really concern myself with the cost as I feel the benefit of superior performance is well worth the cost... You can always make more money but, you can't replace the fun or security of having a vehicle that can pass on demand and outrun the traffic on an on-ramp... Just my preference and I make no bones about it, when it comes to vehicles I am not super price sensitive, clearly since 2013 I've have a 40k, a 50k and now another 40k truck in my garage if price was my primary motivator when selecting a vehicle I would have bought a Honda Accord.... If you like your V6 that is great, not bad motors, I wouldn't even call 'em little at 4.3L, I am very pleased with the 3.6 in my current Colorado however, in my opinion and the majority of other GM truck buyers the 5.3 is the best value out there as it is clearly the sales leader - look at trucks for sale that aren't WT models, I'd say 90% are running a 5.3 engine under the hood. People vote with their dollars and most of those green backs go towards a 5.3L V8 in a Silverado bought today...

Good, we've taken a breath. Progress. 

 

A few items to be discussed. (Highlighted above)

 

Superior Performance: It isn't just you. It's this Superior word attached to performance. It's just an American thing I guess. Americans believe in one definition. Raw Peak Power.  I pointed out in the last post the parameter of BSFC. This isn't an MPG thing. It's an efficiency thing. How much power per pound of fuel. It goes to thermal efficiency. It IS were the automotive power plant world is headed. If a motor makes more power from the SAME amount of fuel it by definition is performing superior to one that does not. V-6 in our examples wins that battle. The V-6 also wins the power density award. Measure it anyway you like, Power per pound. Power per envelope volume. Power per cubic inch or per liter. In all cases the V-6 wins. The entire history of the IC engine is one of incremental increases in efficiency metrics. 

 

 You can always make more money: This is one you just can't teach anyone for whom life hasn't beat them nearly to death with it already. Son not only can you not always, what you may be able to earn will be worthless then than it is now. I can tell you that between this very day and say 1965 a dollar buys 40% fewer goods. That's a fact anyone can figure. It's why mothers are forced to work and children are raised by Nannies and daycare centers. But don't take my word for this. Life will teach you soon enough. 

 

Not on our list but something Detroit, NHTSA and the Insurance industry have been slipping by the public like frogs boiled slowly to death for decades is the power to weight metric. Next year they will make a power plant that will be 20% more power dense than this years version but 30% smaller and with that power density increase will come a 22% weight gain. And yet the ET's will reflect a marginal decrease from more efficient power transfer from an ever more unfavorable power to weight ratio. They will do this with smaller and smaller motors squeezed like pimples until they pop. More gears in the box and so on. They are getting rid of the RCSB, the lightest truck in the fleet and not offering the 6.2 in it while it last. How? Buy making it nearly impossible to obtain one and expensive to order outright. And now...even that time has passed with the demise of the K2XX platform. 

 

4387 / 285 = 15.39 lb./hp. 4.3 V-6 in a RCSB 2WD Sierra

5414 / 355 = 15.25 lb./hp. 5.3 V- in a CCSB 4X4 Denali

(Source of information CarMax data base)

 

Not exactly a walk away. Just 50 lbs. makes them equal power/weight. I don't have allot of trouble matching ramp acceleration with my itty bitty 6. 

 

[DONWT15]

11 hours ago, j-ten-ner said:

This is getting ridiculous...lol

For the guys who still don't know how to merge onto a highway, here a video of a driving lesson in a German driving school.

Let her show you how it's done. Watch and learn.

She did a nice job. Nice and smooth, no wild acceleration, and the instructor didn't look scared 

[Donstar]

4 hours ago, Campier said:

 

I already know how to drive. I haven't had a ticket or a crash in 28 years. I am more skilled than most drivers!

BTW Take a refresher course and you may be humbled.  I had similar (+) stats and then took a motorcycle course to get my MC endorsement. I was truly humbled!    Traffic rules and driving strategies change.  Many drivers have been on the road for decades without any upgrading - which should be required.  This isn't on topic or a criticism but from one proud driver to another!

[DONWT15]

10 minutes ago, Donstar said:

Traffic rules and driving strategies change.  Many drivers have been on the road for decades without any upgrading - which should be required.

Your insurance company will usually give a discount if you take those courses.

[i82much]

Just my 2 cents, but I bought a 2007 Classic Silverado RCSB 4.3 4x4, NV3500.  It had cruise control and nothing else, and I got it for some ridiculously low price because there were tons of rebates due to the model changeover, I had the GM card, I got a military rebate, etc.  I got the truck for something like 14-15 grand, definitely no more than 15.  

 

For my usage, that truck was perfect.  Looking at the market, if fleet buyers will buy enough 4.3 trucks to make it worth GM's while, then I would suggest consumers do the following.  If you find a 4.3 truck on the lot, take a look at the resale value of six or seven year old trucks with the 4.3 vs. the 5.3  Then look at the price difference between the new truck on the lot with the 4.3 and the one with the 5.3, and make your decision.  Chances are, the price difference is going to have to be more than  a grand to make that 4.3 worth it.  That said, if you can get a killer price, the 4.3 meets your needs, and you keep the truck for a long time, you can save a good chunk of change.  

[mookdoc6]

I might as well put my PIPE into this.......

 

I have no need for a V-8's pulling/towing power!  Problem is I have absolutely no need for a V-6 in full-size truck.....even a 6cly twin trubo do ma thingy?  I would have even more of a diametrically opposite attraction to that crap!  What I do want is a NA V-8 5.3/6.2 pretty much end of story it's probably obvious to GM too.....The people want 5.3,6.2 V-8 offerings in trucks.

 

Not going to get into anything other than at the end of the day....the 5.3 is the better value hands down!  The 4.3 is a damn good engine and pretty much a V-8 but it's not and I used to like working on those engines and great in smaller SUV'S & S-10's etc.  Who know maybe with 400 LBS off the new Trucks and uptick in power on 4.3L I probably would be just fine in a single Cab short or long bed?  It's just the 5000+ elevation and 4-5 people in truck with gear loaded down and well.....I can guarantee the V-6 is wishing it was a V-8 and the driver too!

[Donstar]

1 hour ago, i82much said:

Just my 2 cents, but I bought a 2007 Classic Silverado RCSB 4.3 4x4, NV3500.  It had cruise control and nothing else, and I got it for some ridiculously low price because there were tons of rebates due to the model changeover, I had the GM card, I got a military rebate, etc.  I got the truck for something like 14-15 grand, definitely no more than 15.  

 

For my usage, that truck was perfect.  Looking at the market, if fleet buyers will buy enough 4.3 trucks to make it worth GM's while, then I would suggest consumers do the following.  If you find a 4.3 truck on the lot, take a look at the resale value of six or seven year old trucks with the 4.3 vs. the 5.3  Then look at the price difference between the new truck on the lot with the 4.3 and the one with the 5.3, and make your decision.  Chances are, the price difference is going to have to be more than  a grand to make that 4.3 worth it.  That said, if you can get a killer price, the 4.3 meets your needs, and you keep the truck for a long time, you can save a good chunk of change.  

Imagine the difference when you go to a EcoTec 4.3 and gain 90 hp and 45 ft lbs of torque over your classic 2007!  I went from a 2009 5.3 to a EcoTec 4.3 and the only loss for me was the frequency of fill-ups!

[Donstar]

14 minutes ago, mookdoc6 said:

  It's just the 5000+ elevation and 4-5 people in truck with gear loaded down and well.....I can guarantee the V-6 is wishing it was a V-8 and the driver too!

FYI The 4.3 of today and yesterday are the same in number only. I frequently have a full load of passengers c/w belongings and travel the hills.  I never wished for a V8 since owning this '15.  I once wished I hadn't stopped at a no-name gas station but would have had the same issue with a V8!

[i82much]

29 minutes ago, Donstar said:

Imagine the difference when you go to a EcoTec 4.3 and gain 90 hp and 45 ft lbs of torque over your classic 2007!  I went from a 2009 5.3 to a EcoTec 4.3 and the only loss for me was the frequency of fill-ups!

Oh, yeah, no doubt.  I would have loved the newer 4.3.  They used to make a 4.8, NV3500 truck but they stopped making the 4.8/manual combo before I bought mine, that would have been fun.

 

I now drive a 6.0 crew cab 2500HD.  Oh, how times have changed ... the single man's regular cab half ton has given way to the family truckster!