How can GM get away with this???

CounterMeasure · April 18, 2016

Thanks for the reply's guys, where I live I use the truck in woods for hunting a bit and I was told that P tires aren't made for the abuse of rocky dirt roads.

We own land in west Texas. The area is really rocky, and the drive to our cabin from the highway is 3 miles of pretty rough dirt and rock road. My Tundra and my Denali have never had a problem on Michelin LTX MS/2 P-metric tires on that road, or if I need to go a bit deep in the property. Are they as strong as LT tires? Of course not, but they'll do fine as long as you don't drive balls to the wall.

cato · April 18, 2016

The "P" tires on these trucks are absolute shit! Plain and simple. Defend them if you wish but that's the flat out truth. I'm sure there's better "P" rated tires on the market but these Good Years suck.

For me...if I wanted a "posh ride" I would have bought a Caddy!

FL335i · April 18, 2016

I think the stock GY on my truck are a fine all around tire. I've even towed and they're fine. I have 42k+ and still have significant tread left. They are not aggressive, and I can see the sidewall getting punctures easily. But I'm in construction and am "ok" with these tires. They are a casual shoe, not a redwing work boot. Have to know what you're working with. My next set will be KO2's. I'm tracking to get about 75k out of my tires at my current rate. I know a lot of guys that run the SRA's and replaced them with SRA's. I've had 37" MT/R's on a custom straight axle 4Runner when I was younger, I've had a lot of trucks with a lot of tires and I can see why GM selected these as "OEM's". I think they fit the bill. I'm a bit worried about doing E rated KO2's.... 2nd option is C rated LT Goodyear Kevlar Wrangler AT's. Gotta pick the right tool for the job.

kstruckcountry · April 18, 2016

I had SRA's on my 2006 and they were very chewed up with poor traction at 20,000 miles, with a hole too big to patch. I patched more than 6 flats in that 20,000 miles. I haven't had a flat in the 35,000 miles I've had 10 ply tires, and my fuel mileage is no worse than before.

When you look at the "savings" of 4 ply tires, they disappear quickly when you have to swap a spare on that often. Not to mention, the pickup felt less stable with the P tires.

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93yukon · April 18, 2016

The "P" tires on these trucks are absolute shit! Plain and simple. Defend them if you wish but that's the flat out truth. I'm sure there's better "P" rated tires on the market but these Good Years suck.

For me...if I wanted a "posh ride" I would have bought a Caddy!

of course they suck, I'm not defending them I'm just stating there is nothing new about gm ford or any other company that builds trucks doing this. they put these tires on for the masses who generally want good ride and high mileage . the people that tow( really tow, not the occasional jet ski or uhaul) and go off road change them out after the fact. unfortunately thats just how it goes because they are in the business of making money on the masses and not making the enthusiasts happy . if they were we would have a lot more bad ass vehicle options to choose from. thats why super crews for soccer moms run rampant

tnchevy · April 18, 2016

I drive places on a daily basis that 99% of the people on here wouldn't dream of taking a truck. All of my 1/2 ton work trucks have always came with P rated "AT" tires (except a 2003 silverado that had a heavy duty tow package) and we keep the P tires on till they either wear out or we slice them up. Surprisingly I have rarely had to replace the P tires because of punctures and I abuse the crap out of them since it is not my truck. After the P tires are wore out (usually about 20k miles) we put a bigger and heavier LT tire on, running GY AT with Kevlar right now. The GY AT is much tougher tire and is better suited for the places I go but I also drive 3 to 5 hours up the interstate to get to those places and that is when I miss the lighter and smoother P tire. Even the best "10" ply tire will get a puncture, that is why I have always kept an extra spare in the bed of the truck. I once punctured 3 tires in the same day, that was fun.

Donstar · April 18, 2016

The "P" tires on these trucks are absolute shit! Plain and simple. Defend them if you wish but that's the flat out truth. I'm sure there's better "P" rated tires on the market but these Good Years suck.

For me...if I wanted a "posh ride" I would have bought a Caddy!

I was a staunch defender of LT tires on 1/2 tons for years. I have since realized that a P-metric tire will meet or exceed my needs. Looking back, my issues were with tire brands, not whether they were LT or P rated. On my last truck I found an "E" rated Michelin to be a smoother ride than my factory installed Firestones. You can get your truck feel on P rated tires depending on style and brand and you can get a smooth ride on a LT depending on style and brand. On identical tire styles, choosing the LT over P for my use is a waste of money at initial purchase and for ongoing fuel economy. I inherited my dad's Cadillac years ago and loved the ride! It was useless for doing my DIY projects and upkeep was costly. I now have the best of both. I have a great ride in a useful and great looking truck!

cato · April 18, 2016

of course they suck, I'm not defending them I'm just stating there is nothing new about gm ford or any other company that builds trucks doing this. they put these tires on for the masses who generally want good ride and high mileage . the people that tow( really tow, not the occasional jet ski or uhaul) and go off road change them out after the fact. unfortunately thats just how it goes because they are in the business of making money on the masses and not making the enthusiasts happy . if they were we would have a lot more bad ass vehicle options to choose from. thats why super crews for soccer moms run rampant

Apologies my comment wasn't directed at you. Just making a general statement. I like the ride of the "p" rated tires too. Was just really disappointed at the quality or lack there of with these stock good years. : )

amxguy1970 · April 18, 2016

Yeah I've seen P tire sidewalls get sliced open by sharp sticks along offroad trails. Even sharp rocks will pop a P-tire. LT tires sacrifice weight/ride quality for a much more robust tire construction. They're a good choice for guys that tow with their trucks too.

I've seen E-rated do the same, so?

Nope I ordered my truck and made it with the max tow package.. comes with the crappy 20 inch lsa goodyears. It's crazy that my 295/35/24's ride is much better. I know hard to belive but it's the truth

Hit the nail on the head...

Tyler

amxguy1970 · April 18, 2016

The "P" tires on these trucks are absolute shit! Plain and simple. Defend them if you wish but that's the flat out truth. I'm sure there's better "P" rated tires on the market but these Good Years suck.

For me...if I wanted a "posh ride" I would have bought a Caddy!

That is far from the truth but you are welcome to believe what you want. If you were to say they were an ok tire and for sure not the best I would say ya, but to say sh*t just losses credibility with your response because they are far from that.

I think the stock GY on my truck are a fine all around tire. I've even towed and they're fine. I have 42k+ and still have significant tread left. They are not aggressive, and I can see the sidewall getting punctures easily. But I'm in construction and am "ok" with these tires. They are a casual shoe, not a redwing work boot. Have to know what you're working with. My next set will be KO2's. I'm tracking to get about 75k out of my tires at my current rate. I know a lot of guys that run the SRA's and replaced them with SRA's. I've had 37" MT/R's on a custom straight axle 4Runner when I was younger, I've had a lot of trucks with a lot of tires and I can see why GM selected these as "OEM's". I think they fit the bill. I'm a bit worried about doing E rated KO2's.... 2nd option is C rated LT Goodyear Kevlar Wrangler AT's. Gotta pick the right tool for the job.

If the current tires are doing a commendable job they stepping up a notch or two would be better. A KO2 and the penalties would be a big trade off if you aren't needing the full capability (unless you are set on the aesthetics). From your description it sounds like a Kevlar tires would be a better fit. Little more aggressive, better mpg, highly rated with plenty of toughness and better highway ride with less tire noise.

Tyler

tnchevy · April 18, 2016

My work truck mpg's went down 2.5 mpg with the GY AT Kevlar, they are a very heavy tire. They do wear well though, got about 35k miles on my first set and have 20k on the current set with quite a bit of tread left.

cato · April 18, 2016

That is far from the truth but you are welcome to believe what you want. If you were to say they were an ok tire and for sure not the best I would say ya, but to say sh*t just losses credibility with your response because they are far from that.

If the current tires are doing a commendable job they stepping up a notch or two would be better. A KO2 and the penalties would be a big trade off if you aren't needing the full capability (unless you are set on the aesthetics). From your description it sounds like a Kevlar tires would be a better fit. Little more aggressive, better mpg, highly rated with plenty of toughness and better highway ride with less tire noise.

Tyler

They suck. My opinion and I'm entitled to it. Whether you like it or not. Enjoy the smell. : )

Donstar · April 18, 2016

This is an interesting discussion and it would be unfortunate to see it go sour because of slang. Let's keep on the topic of tires.

There are many of us on this forum who remember the transition from bias ply to radial tires. I held off buying radial tires (and unleaded gas!) until I had no choice. My reluctance to change was because I was uninformed. Arguments over ride quality from tires is nothing new and discussion is healthy. We are very lucky to have forums such as this to share knowledge, experiences and opinions so that we can make our own, informed decisions.

Shu · April 18, 2016

Most of my driving in highway and I've had three punctures in the stock Goodyears. My 2005 with stock Goodyears never had a puncture. These are the worst tires I've ever owned for punctures. I've got a little over 24000 miles and based on wear so far I think I'll be able to get 50000 miles out of them so that is decent for a factory tire. This is the first vehicle I've had in 30 years which I had to use the spare. At least it is seeing road time;)

finn5033 · April 18, 2016

Those SRA's come from the factory on a lot of vehicles. I've never had an issue with them, but of course there are much better tires out there. I had the Kevlar wrangler as well and as said here they are a much heavier tire that effected my MPG very noticeably. We just bought a slightly used 2015 Grand cherokee with 29,000 miles on the goodyear SRA's and they still have a ton of life left in them. My wife drove them through a few snow storms this past winter and said she had no problems.