Do You Wait For The Oil Change Reminder In Your GM?

[TXGREEK]

I was using the Mobil 1 filters because of the “enhanced filtration”, but figured out it was choking my F150 engine at startup. It had a nasty sound of unlubed metal. Went back to the Ford part and the noise went away.

Now I stick with OEM filter simply for the engineered flow characteristics, recognizing there could possibly be better filtration out there.

But I do spend whatever to get the best oil.

Depending on your oci’s, you’re doing great! [emoji1303]


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[Bob2C]

3k change. Ac Delco filter. Oil is cheap


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[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, diyer2 said:

I'm not Bob the science guy Grumpy Bear.

It's cleaner when I put it in than when I take it out. Good enough for me.

 

 

As it should be......It is why we change oil, isn't it? (read on)

1 hour ago, Robotaz said:

 

I was using the Mobil 1 filters because of the “enhanced filtration”, but figured out it was choking my F150 engine at startup. It had a nasty sound of unlubed metal. Went back to the Ford part and the noise went away.

Now I stick with OEM filter simply for the engineered flow characteristics, recognizing there could possibly be better filtration out there.

But I do spend whatever to get the best oil.

 

Tell ya a little sumptin-sumptin. I run a K&P cleanable stainless gauze filter on Pepper. 35 micron absolute pore size. And I do it for the same reason you went back to your first choice. Instant oil pressure. When I learned from Blackstone that all inline automotive filters that won't lift the bypass filter in the 30 to 40 micron range...no matter what the packaging says....yea some oil is better than no oil. Filtered to 35 micron is better than blowing the bypass on start up and washing what you filtered out last time back into the motor. 

 

13 hours ago, i82much said:

my point was just that most of us are never going to wear out an engine using the OLM and whatever oil that meets the minimum spec.

I will not argue a point with you that is most certainly correct. "Most" kind' a says it all, right?

 

I'm trying to stir a pot or even teasing you. I'm educating Joe Average and use your post from time to time as they are 'on the money' for the context you give them. Be happy, don't worry.  

 

The oil we buy is dirtier than the cleanliness required for exceptional life and the INLINE filters we can buy won't make it any cleaner. This means logic would tell Joe Average that $12/quart oil will need some filtering help that is not inline to be of any benefit. A bypass system capable of at least maintaining the levels of contamination in new oil. As that isn't going to be everyone's cuppa tea then as diyer2 and Bob2C  note, change it often, IF your expectations for driveline life is longer than "most of us'. I've personally witnessed million mile GAS motors given the cheap oil, loose filter and change it like you own an oil well method more than once. Yea, even with SA (no additives at all) oils. 

 

That said, $12/quart oil, be it Joe Gibbs, AMSOIL, Red Line HP or whatever your favorite flavor happens to be, will need some bypass filter help to extend even the oil change much less the motors life. IF you give them that help and watch your temperatures then you start to see their potential...unless...your Joe "Most Guys" Average. 

 

"Extend motor life", that's phrase that will lite a forest on fire, eh? Stan has heavy equipment that seems to last forever using AMSOIL AND EXTENDED service intervals. And those boys treat those machines like every day is the Indy 500. Cowpie diesels over a million miles on very long intervals and a bit above average oils. He also filters the crap out of it. This is these boys livelihood! They wouldn't be in business long if they accepted 150-250K mile service from their equipment like "most guys'.  

 

"Most Guys" will do just fine on the OLM an OEM inline filter and just about anything in a bottle that has the SN PLUS label. 

[TXGREEK]

While having my wife’s BMW detailed at the dealership, I met this man and woman and after we got to talking a bit he mentioned he’s a truck guy, I said so am I. He said he’s got a 2007 Dodge Cummins with


and he’s run nothing but AMSOIL fluids in it, currently has 480K miles and has had the engine checked three times 200k, 300k and at 400k, says the engine internals found to show almost ZERO wear and all due to using Amsoil Oil OCI’s every 10k miles. Zero issues with his transmission too. I told him to join a forum and talk about it, he said he would, his truck is called “Old White”.


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[Robotaz]

While having my wife’s BMW detailed at the dealership, I met this man and woman and after we got to talking a bit he mentioned he’s a truck guy, I said so am I. He said he’s got a 2007 Dodge Cummins with


and he’s run nothing but AMSOIL fluids in it, currently has 480K miles and has had the engine checked three times 200k, 300k and at 400k, says the engine internals found to show almost ZERO wear and all due to using Amsoil Oil OCI’s every 10k miles. Zero issues with his transmission too. I told him to join a forum and talk about it, he said he would, his truck is called “Old White”.


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The Cummins and Ford 4.9L are different animals. The Cummins will do a million miles and the 4.9 will do 500,000.

The 4.9 was originally designed to be a diesel and for some reason they made it gas.

[i82much]

10 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

As it should be......It is why we change oil, isn't it? (read on)

Tell ya a little sumptin-sumptin. I run a K&P cleanable stainless gauze filter on Pepper. 35 micron absolute pore size. And I do it for the same reason you went back to your first choice. Instant oil pressure. When I learned from Blackstone that all inline automotive filters that won't lift the bypass filter in the 30 to 40 micron range...no matter what the packaging says....yea some oil is better than no oil. Filtered to 35 micron is better than blowing the bypass on start up and washing what you filtered out last time back into the motor. 

 

I will not argue a point with you that is most certainly correct. "Most" kind' a says it all, right?

 

I'm trying to stir a pot or even teasing you. I'm educating Joe Average and use your post from time to time as they are 'on the money' for the context you give them. Be happy, don't worry.  

 

The oil we buy is dirtier than the cleanliness required for exceptional life and the INLINE filters we can buy won't make it any cleaner. This means logic would tell Joe Average that $12/quart oil will need some filtering help that is not inline to be of any benefit. A bypass system capable of at least maintaining the levels of contamination in new oil. As that isn't going to be everyone's cuppa tea then as diyer2 and Bob2C  note, change it often, IF your expectations for driveline life is longer than "most of us'. I've personally witnessed million mile GAS motors given the cheap oil, loose filter and change it like you own an oil well method more than once. Yea, even with SA (no additives at all) oils. 

 

That said, $12/quart oil, be it Joe Gibbs, AMSOIL, Red Line HP or whatever your favorite flavor happens to be, will need some bypass filter help to extend even the oil change much less the motors life. IF you give them that help and watch your temperatures then you start to see their potential...unless...your Joe "Most Guys" Average. 

 

"Extend motor life", that's phrase that will lite a forest on fire, eh? Stan has heavy equipment that seems to last forever using AMSOIL AND EXTENDED service intervals. And those boys treat those machines like every day is the Indy 500. Cowpie diesels over a million miles on very long intervals and a bit above average oils. He also filters the crap out of it. This is these boys livelihood! They wouldn't be in business long if they accepted 150-250K mile service from their equipment like "most guys'.  

 

"Most Guys" will do just fine on the OLM an OEM inline filter and just about anything in a bottle that has the SN PLUS label. 

i don’t have any doubt that one can make their engine last significantly longer with things like premium oils, short OCI, or bypass filtration.  i just think 90% of us will trade our trucks in well before we reach the point where we start seeing the benefit from those efforts.  even if you do keep your truck for 500k miles, is it cheaper to put all those miles on one engine changing your amsoil every 3000 miles or just run the cheap stuff by the OLM and buy a low mileage takeout engine with the savings!

[TXGREEK]

i don’t have any doubt that one can make their engine last significantly longer with things like premium oils, short OCI, or bypass filtration.  i just think 90% of us will trade our trucks in well before we reach the point where we start seeing the benefit from those efforts.  even if you do keep your truck for 500k miles, is it cheaper to put all those miles on one engine changing your amsoil every 3000 miles or just run the cheap stuff by the OLM and buy a low mileage takeout engine with the savings!

Amsoil Signature Series is a 10k mile plus oil, not on a 3k mile OCI.


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[Grumpy Bear]

3 hours ago, i82much said:

i don’t have any doubt that one can make their engine last significantly longer with things like premium oils, short OCI, or bypass filtration.  i just think 90% of us will trade our trucks in well before we reach the point where we start seeing the benefit from those efforts.  even if you do keep your truck for 500k miles, is it cheaper to put all those miles on one engine changing your amsoil every 3000 miles or just run the cheap stuff by the OLM and buy a low mileage takeout engine with the savings!

And who is changing AMSOIL on 3K OCI's? 

 

 

Resource for below: Pirtech.com

 

 

ISO 4066 cleanliness gives virgin oil with a Grade 2 score of 18/15 and a 'Relative Life Factor" of 1.

Multiples therefore are based on cleanliness.  

 

 

There are three things that determine oil life. 1.) Contamination. 2.) Additive Depletion. 3.) Heat. 

If you have a handle on #1 and #3, then #2 and the lubricant last quite awhile.

 

There is no such thing as a 25K oil or a 5K oil or even a 3K oil. What there is; are conditions that permit an particular interval. 

 

As soon as someone insist on a NUMBER for motor life the oil discussion gets sideways in a hurry. 

There is "NO STANDARD MOTOR LIFE".

There is only a result and that result has no meaning outside itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2019 by Grumpy Bear

[Cpl_Punishment]

19 hours ago, TXGREEK said:

While having my wife’s BMW detailed at the dealership, I met this man and woman and after we got to talking a bit he mentioned he’s a truck guy, I said so am I. He said he’s got a 2007 Dodge Cummins with


and he’s run nothing but AMSOIL fluids in it, currently has 480K miles and has had the engine checked three times 200k, 300k and at 400k, says the engine internals found to show almost ZERO wear and all due to using Amsoil Oil OCI’s every 10k miles. Zero issues with his transmission too. I told him to join a forum and talk about it, he said he would, his truck is called “Old White”.


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My brother's girlfriend's dad is running a Cummins from that era that officially has half a million on the odometer and a lot of hours, even considering the mileage.

[TXGREEK]

My brother's girlfriend's dad is running a Cummins from that era that officially has half a million on the odometer and a lot of hours, even considering the mileage.

My 06 Cummins was in the shop with injector and other issues far to much then I bought a 4ord and that was gone within a year too lol


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[Cpl_Punishment]

28 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:

 

My 06 Cummins was in the shop with injector and other issues far to much then I bought a 4ord and that was gone within a year too lol


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My uncle had bad luck with the 2 Powerstrokes he tried so he's back in a Cummins. I'm not sure why he won't try GM, especially given that he had to do a bunch of work to repair his 2002 Land Rover so he could use it to haul oats while his truck was waiting on a new turbo.

My grandpa got 20 good years out of his 1993 K1500 and the problems he had after that were due to the thumb-fingered mechanics who replaced his engine twice: once after he hit a deer and once because they messed something up the first time. 

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[TXGREEK]

My uncle had bad luck with the 2 Powerstrokes he tried so he's back in a Cummins. I'm not sure why he won't try GM, especially given that he had to do a bunch of work to repair his 2002 Land Rover so he could use it to haul oats while his truck was waiting on a new turbo.
My grandpa got 20 good years out of his 1993 K1500 and the problems he had after that were due to the thumb-fingered mechanics who replaced his engine twice: once after he hit a deer and once because they messed something up the first time. 

Today’s Diesels have far to much choking attributes, my 16 Duramax was a beast but I got burned out with Diesels too. This 2018 GMC SLT 1500 6.2 has been hands down the best truck I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned a great many. I treat it very well, nothing but the top highest quality products go into this truck cause I’m planning on keeping this truck as I’ve got other vehicles that are my “night out” vehicles.


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[KARNUT]

My mother drives a 2000 Ford diesel. My father drives a 97 Ram diesel. Will not trade in. Both run Amsoil. Once a year oil changes.


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[mo2058130]

On 9/15/2016 at 10:38 PM, RDKILL said:

With the dealers oil change in my truck now, I'll wait until 5K miles and get an analysis, then flush with Amsoil engine flush and fill with Amsoil, as well as the filter.

Then my plan is to change it again at 7K (get analysis) and refill with Amsoil....and change at 15K (analysis) and then at 25K (analysis).

Each time the filter will be changed as well, and I'll be watching the lubricity level...as well as reading the report for each analysis.

I hope to eventually have the extended oil change done at 25K or 1yr whichever comes first as routine oil change.

I see this is from awhile ago. How did the tests come out? Are you going 25k miles between changes. Thanks!

[jimbrown1]

7500 miles, OLM at 10% or 1 year, whichever comes first.  And I only use Amsoil in all my vehicles.