Is Chevy Simply buying its Silverado sales gains?

[Jsdirt]

I get that ... so what your saying is, GM has gone backwards. My '72 El Camino rode better than any car or truck I've been in built in the 21st century, new or old. I never changed shocks OR bushings, or anything on that one. Owned it 11 years and it still rode mint.

[GPGuy]

Keep in mind that how a vehicle rides is VERY subjective. Some like very firm rides whereas some like to feel like they're driving on a cloud. Neither good or bad...just opinion.

[Doug_Scott]

The way they have the rebates this year is confusing as hell. The credit or rebate number changes with options selected. Back in 2010 when I got my truck, the sticker price was $36k, rebates and credits were $11k. Truck with taxes was $25k+$3250 in taxes for a total out the door price $28250. I just tried to price out a 2015 Sierra Double cab, 2wd, the rebate/credits started at $8480, and came down to $6485 if I added in the 5.3 engine. What actually hurt though was the build your own tool telling me the 5.3 option would cost an additional $1225, yet when I agreed to that it then added in $1325, and reduced the rebate/credits $1995.

 

The sales pitch that used to piss me right off were the ones that said "Free Air Conditioning" and then in small print "or equivalent cash credit". Since the a/c was going to be free, does that mean the equivalent credit was $0.00? For whatever reason I was never in the market for a new vehicle when those promotions were on.

[TedzGMC]

I got 10k off msrp on my gmc in rebates. Check out Covert Buick GMC in austin texas web site.

[Jsdirt]

Keep in mind that how a vehicle rides is VERY subjective. Some like very firm rides whereas some like to feel like they're driving on a cloud. Neither good or bad...just opinion.

I hear what your saying - I was making a direct comparison by jumping out of my truck, and jumping into the neighbor's truck - the difference was amazing. It handled these beat-up, potholed roads like nothing - was much more compliant over the rough stuff than mine, yet still had a firmness to it so it wouldn't wallow when pushed.

 

When I first installed the Bilsteins, honestly there really wasn't all that much difference in ride quality when driving normally over paved road bumps. Where the Bilsteins really stand out is over g-out, or whoop-dee-doo style impacts that would have bottomed the stock suspension.The Bilsteins soak those huge bumps right up like nothing. Speed bumps as well - I can hit them at 20 with the Bilsteins.They also keep the body of the truck from rolling side to side on uneven roads. Keeps the body straight, like a stiff sway bar.

 

I didn't get to test the Ecoboost over those roads, since it's not my truck, and I wasn't going to beat on it out of respect for my neighbor, but the difference just driving around town was literally night and day. Like the difference between my '94 K1500 with cranked up torsion bars & Edelbrock shocks, to my Silverado off the showroom floor. Night and day. Made my truck feel like it had no suspension!

[BigBadSierra]

I don't think Ford brough enough to the table with the 2015. They put all of the hype on the aluminum body which was just that hype.

 

I still have to look at the headlights to know if i'm looking at a 2014 or a 2015. The body has no real major changes.

 

Dropping thier big motor was a mistake I know people who switched to the GM to get the 6.2L engine as they don't trust the Ecoboost.

 

Fact is Ford had issues with that motor.

 

They somewhat have ot worked out but now intead of mis fires the turbo pips seperate and they loose power.

[Jaybridge88]

I got $7k off my 2014 Silverado double cab 4x4 all star edition right off the bat. Then I used $3k of GM credit card points to make it $10k off. This was back in October 2014 but I was acquaintances with the owner of the dealer. MSRP was $42,600 ish. That number magically dropped to $32,600. I put down $4k and walked out only financing around 28k through my bank. I think it was worth it for a brand new Silverado.

 

I do understand stealerships do play the incentive game. Especially GM dealers. I went to about 5 Chevy dealers talking prices. Most of them tell you they can give you the best price and have a lot of incentives. Then after you talk numbers and are about to sign papers they tell you they can't give you the price they just negotiated bc you only qualify for 1 of the 10 incentives they applied to the price. (Quirk Chevy in eastern MA to be exact). GM dealers are horrible, some are better than others, all lie. I was glad to realize a buddy of mines cousin married the owner of a dealership. He contacted him for me and my purchase went smoothly through his dealership. If I didn't know the owner idk if I would of bought GM due to their lying cheating salesmen. My wife just bought a new Toyota. The buying experience was ridiculously straight forward and easy compared with buying from GM. Wish GM would take a play out of toyotas play book as far as how to run a dealership.

[Doug_Scott]

I got $7k off my 2014 Silverado double cab 4x4 all star edition right off the bat. Then I used $3k of GM credit card points to make it $10k off. This was back in October 2014 but I was acquaintances with the owner of the dealer. MSRP was $42,600 ish. That number magically dropped to $32,600. I put down $4k and walked out only financing around 28k through my bank. I think it was worth it for a brand new Silverado.

 

I do understand stealerships do play the incentive game. Especially GM dealers. I went to about 5 Chevy dealers talking prices. Most of them tell you they can give you the best price and have a lot of incentives. Then after you talk numbers and are about to sign papers they tell you they can't give you the price they just negotiated bc you only qualify for 1 of the 10 incentives they applied to the price. (Quirk Chevy in eastern MA to be exact). GM dealers are horrible, some are better than others, all lie. I was glad to realize a buddy of mines cousin married the owner of a dealership. He contacted him for me and my purchase went smoothly through his dealership. If I didn't know the owner idk if I would of bought GM due to their lying cheating salesmen. My wife just bought a new Toyota. The buying experience was ridiculously straight forward and easy compared with buying from GM. Wish GM would take a play out of toyotas play book as far as how to run a dealership.

 

I never could understand why people hold the manufacturer responsible for car salesmen. GM has no control over who the guy running the dealership hires, and also has to watch their interaction with the dealers due to price fixing laws. The salesman's actions are the responsibility of the dealership manager/owner. Finding an aggressive car salesman at one dealership does not mean all others have the same problems.

This also applies to service departments. There are approx 18,000 auto dealerships in the US. Every one of them have humans for employees. Ever notice how you know one person that just cannot stand someone else that you know, but you have no issue with either? That logic applies to everything in life. One salesman pissing you off does not immediately spoil the rest, and surely cannot spoil other dealerships.

Problem with dealing with people is that they are humans, and everyone knows they are unique, but will treat everyone else as though they are all the same.

[Jaybridge88]

 

I never could understand why people hold the manufacturer responsible for car salesmen. GM has no control over who the guy running the dealership hires, and also has to watch their interaction with the dealers due to price fixing laws. The salesman's actions are the responsibility of the dealership manager/owner. Finding an aggressive car salesman at one dealership does not mean all others have the same problems.

This also applies to service departments. There are approx 18,000 auto dealerships in the US. Every one of them have humans for employees. Ever notice how you know one person that just cannot stand someone else that you know, but you have no issue with either? That logic applies to everything in life. One salesman pissing you off does not immediately spoil the rest, and surely cannot spoil other dealerships.

Problem with dealing with people is that they are humans, and everyone knows they are unique, but will treat everyone else as though they are all the same.

[Jaybridge88]

If you read my whole post you can see that I visited a handful of GM dealerships. Not just one. All across my state actually. The only honesty I found at a GM dealer was one that I kind of knew the owner. To say it's the sales man....? Really? I mean it is partially. Most of them work with what that manager or owner of the dealers let them work with though. So as a whole all the GM dealers that I experienced, but the one I bought from are running on lies. GM even runs commercials on Tv Showinf the top of the line fully loaded cars advertised for the base model pricing with all incentives included. Just so people will be like "oh wow I think I'll go there and check that car out". Ever read the fine print on the commercials or news paper adds? Idk who your fooling but it's not me. GM dealers are scumbags. They slow this behavior to take place.

I simply compared my experience of visiting 6 total GM dealers to my experience of visiting one Toyota dealership. My wife wasn't even planing on buying for another 2 weeks but they were just that good. My wife couldn't say no. Sorry if you got butt hurt about what I said about GM dealers. I guess I should of made a disclaimer that my comment was based off my experience and mine alone I my state.

[Jsdirt]

It's Massachusetts. Shyster central up here. I'd imagine downstate NY, and NJ, RI, and CT are the same.

 

I'll never forget looking at a Maytag front loader at some appliance store with my g/f at the time - I reach in and spin the drum, and it sounded like it was full of water. I laughed and commented that "The thing is full!" just joking around. The saleman, all serious, tried to explain that that was NOT water I was hearing. We left, amazed .... If your gonna b/s someone, try and make sure your alot smarter than the person your b/s-ing!

 

I find auto dealers all around here the same way, with the exception of one Ford dealer. He seems to treat all my neighbor's well, and nobody has ever said anything bad about them. Been around for decades. My dad actually bought his '83 Escort there ( Why? We still don't know ... ) back in the day.

 

The dealer I bought my Silverado from? Out of business.

 

If that Ford dealer had been open that Sunday back in '07, I'd probably be driving a F-250 right now.

[NinjaFace]

Jsdirt, it sounds like you should sell your chevy and go get you a Ford. Maybe you should check out the Tundra. My friend just got one, it is cute like the Ford. You might be happier with another brand. Sorry to hear about your issues, sounds real familiar to all the stories i hear about Ford. I owned a 06 F250, not one month went by that i didn't have to fix it. I had it for 3 yrs and made the last 5 or six payments with the engine blown up. I barely got scrap prices when i sold it. I'll never own another. Maybe your next truck will be better to you than that one. I like my truck and it has no issues. Almost 20,000 miles and trouble free. Go get ya a Ford, just trade it in before it hits 100,000 miles. We'll still be here when you come back. Lol!

[Jsdirt]

Sorry to disappoint, but my next "new" truck is going to be built 40+ years ago. I don't repeat mistakes.

[nadrojcote]

20% off mrps right now in canada on 2015's thats $12,000 off a new 60k truck.

[Doug_Scott]

20% off mrps right now in canada on 2015's thats $12,000 off a new 60k truck.

 

its only 20% off of the "in stock the longest".

 

 

If you read my whole post you can see that I visited a handful of GM dealerships. Not just one. All across my state actually. The only honesty I found at a GM dealer was one that I kind of knew the owner. To say it's the sales man....? Really? I mean it is partially. Most of them work with what that manager or owner of the dealers let them work with though. So as a whole all the GM dealers that I experienced, but the one I bought from are running on lies. GM even runs commercials on Tv Showinf the top of the line fully loaded cars advertised for the base model pricing with all incentives included. Just so people will be like "oh wow I think I'll go there and check that car out". Ever read the fine print on the commercials or news paper adds? Idk who your fooling but it's not me. GM dealers are scumbags. They slow this behavior to take place.

I simply compared my experience of visiting 6 total GM dealers to my experience of visiting one Toyota dealership. My wife wasn't even planing on buying for another 2 weeks but they were just that good. My wife couldn't say no. Sorry if you got butt hurt about what I said about GM dealers. I guess I should of made a disclaimer that my comment was based off my experience and mine alone I my state.

 

You have not hurt my feelings in any way. My point was simply that this is not limited to GM only. What you describe is pretty much the standard advertising format for ALL manufacturers. Saw an ad just now for the Mustang. Car that was driving (on a closed course with a professional driver according to the small printed line at bottom of screen that also warned me to not try) was not the same trim level as the car being promoted. This is done for many reasons, with the main one being they simply want to get the most mileage(no pun intended) out of their advertising budget. Dodge does it, Fiat does it, GM does it, Lexus does it, etc. Have you not noticed that even the new car brochures do the same thing? You will rarely if ever find a base trim level vehicle pictured in the brochure.

 

Going simply by the way you write, and the experiences you describe, I would guess that you are in your first decade of adulthood(under 30). You have already noticed that if you know someone that is connected to something you need, you get better treatment. That is how life is. And the logic behind it is quite simple. When you are looking for someone to provide some service for you, they at the same time are looking for someone to provide their service to. By using an intermediary, both sides bypass the "learning" phase. You feel better if you can trust the salesman, and believe it or not, the salesman feels better if he/she can trust the customer. I would imagine you had never really considered that it worked this way.