Torque Management

silverado3500 · March 20, 2003

Whipple now sells a programmer that claims to be able to be able to remove the torque management settings.

ForceInjection · March 27, 2003

Yes, these suckers are so nice :hail:

As of 1999, General Motors started implementing what they refer to as “torque management.” This reduces power at certain rpm ranges in order to relieve stress to the drive train. As years have past, “torque management” has become increasingly apparent. Now you can remove torque management, get even more power instantly, firm shift points for quicker shifts, recalibrate your speedometer for custom gears, wheels and tires, all with a punch of a button.

Key Features:

• Remove torque management for increased low speed torque

• Firmer full-throttle gear changes for faster acceleration (automatic transmissions)

• Recalibrate speedometer and odometer readings with non-stock tire sizes and/or non-stock rear-end gear ratios

• Allows the vehicle's top speed to be matched to the speed rating of factory approved high-performance tires

• Works with Whipple Supercharger equipped engines

TahoeSS · March 27, 2003

??? My and others trials say it needs refinement yet and at $600

99Silver6.0 · March 27, 2003

Use LS1Edit!! It can kill TM plus a WHOLE lot more. Its cheaper too!!

ForceInjection · March 27, 2003

LS1Edit works soooooooooo good.

CMNTMXR81 · March 27, 2003

Too bad it won't work on BBC's with Allison's!

dcairns · March 31, 2003

??? My and others trials say it needs refinement yet and at $600

Could you elaborate on that a bit? I realize that LS1 edit it the ultimate in flexibility, but not everyone wants to invest the time it takes to master it. Simpler tools may be better for those who just want to do a few basic tricks.

TahoeSS · April 1, 2003

Could you elaborate on that a bit?
Simpler tools may be better for those who just want to do a few basic tricks.

My dyno runs showed a decrease in HP with the program.

There is another out there that will let you adj settings besides LS1 EDIT and that are simple to use and can be custom tuned for a supercharged application.

I was not impressed with the support staff either who "fight against each others opinions" in my case with Whipple unit.

Oh well its only 600$$$

cyrylyn · April 1, 2003

Could you elaborate on that a bit?
Simpler tools may be better for those who just want to do a few basic tricks.

My dyno runs showed a decrease in HP with the program.

There is another out there that will let you adj settings besides LS1 EDIT and that are simple to use and can be custom tuned for a supercharged application.

I was not impressed with the support staff either who "fight against each others opinions" in my case with Whipple unit.

Oh well its only 600$$$

I wouldn't think removing TM would necessarily improve your HP. How did the programmer affect your torque curve, according to your dyno?

TahoeSS · April 3, 2003

[i wouldn't think removing TM would necessarily improve your HP. How did the programmer affect your torque curve, according to your dyno?

The torque curve was lower at the upper rpm end and went flat-almost like it was too lean or not enough timing.Did not have the wide band o2 on at the time .I will be doing that testing now to find the answer that they could not give me.

TahoeSS · April 9, 2003

Super Jet Dyno Controlled runs...

Stock with cat back=243 RWHP

Whipple program=287 RWHP

Diablo Sport program with custom tuning option=337 RWHP (with 2.5 adj to fuel at WOT and a/f ratio at 11.8 also adj timing 10% advanced with no ping on 93 pump gas.)

SAE numbers=404 HP

Now I got the real to the pavement 100 hp I was looking for !!! :hail: :thumb:

Hotrod 496 · April 29, 2003

I talked to whipple and they said the allison doesn't have alot of TQ managment. Does anyone have one with a allison and does it help. ???

rtbrick · May 4, 2003

Exactly what is Torque Management? Does it affect all Chevy trucks or is this just a diesel issue? If my 2000 5.3 1500 Ext Cab Z71 is affected by TM, what are my options of negating TM or reducing it? Does the Hypertech III have any effect on it?

rje · June 4, 2003

Does the predator programmer do anything with TM? What would be the best programmer for a 8.1L/allison 2500HD with K&N intake and a cat back exh?

Randy

remberto · June 13, 2003

I can notice the TM in my 6.0L. As some one put it.. the truck accelerates harder at partial throttle than at WOT.

There are a couple active threads regarding Wester's Garage's (http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/Index2.htm) programmed PCM in both gm-trucks.com=>light-duty(1500,2500) section and pickuptruck.com's chevy discussion groups (search for westers). The shop's owner, Lydon Wester is believed to use LS1 Edit - and knows how to. There have been a few claims in the thread and by Lydon that his programming is capable of removing TM.

The threads are here. Note some mentions of using Hypertech vs. Superchip vs. Predator vs. Wester's:

PUTC Westers thread

GMTrucks.com Westers thread

All the hype about this product is making me consider shelving my HPPIII and getting one. Especially if Lydon will be able to remove TM. I called Wester's today (Canada) asking for some testimony. They were a little busy but told me to try it. It works well and makes a noticeable improvement and will refund your money within 30 days. How can you go wrong?

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