Oil catch can?

jrob56 · November 16, 2015

Maybe I got things backwards...is the pcv located next to the throttle body or down on the driver side of the engine on a 2015 5.3?

Hey quick video I made, might help you out.

https://vid.me/nEGW

fondupot · November 16, 2015

Maybe I got things backwards...is the pcv located next to the throttle body or down on the driver side of the engine on a 2015 5.3?

Here you go. Step by step install on a 5.3L.

SPrew94535 · November 16, 2015

Thanks for all the info gentleman. Think I got it all figured out. Thanks again!

GDI Tech · November 16, 2015

I considered buying the E2 a couple months ago but decided to wait. Now I think I'll get the E2-X.

When ordering the E2-X on y'alls website, which option should I select? For the regular E2 there is an option specifically for 2014+ GMC/Chevy 5.3L/6.2L Trucks, but I don't see this on the E2-X. I don't drive my truck too hard so I think the single outlet is what is recommended.

Thanks

It's a bit disappointing to learn that the original Elite can isn't as effective for DI engines as I was led to believe. What's the difference in design between the E2-X vs the E1/E2?

Installed Elite2 similar to jrob56 yesterday but lost a clamp and couldn't finish with check valve. This morning went Auto parts store for clamps and Hose cutters, they didn't sell them and wouldn't lend the pair they use. Being a little irritated put he stuff back and went to a shop next door. They just had regular hose clamps but were nice enough to lend their cutters. Made one cut put on the valve and all I need to do now is trim ends off the Zip Ties.

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I need some help. Just got my Elite Engineering Catch Can and getting two different instructions that is confusing me I go the model CC-300R-LS3. The diagram that came with it shows the inlet connector on top and says "from engines pcv system" and the exit connection on the side says 'to intake manifold'. I look at the install instructions online and it has the top connection..the inlet going to the intake manifold and the side connection....the exit connection going to the pcv. Im corn-fused!!

On 5.3 Elite 2 Connect hose to PCV connection below Throttle Body to Top of Can. Connect hose to side of can to PCV connection side of engine

Thanks for all the info gentleman. Think I got it all figured out. Thanks again!

GDI Tech · November 16, 2015

Again, just spent 45 minutes typing a long rely to all the questions with detailed explanations, click post and it takes me to a verify screen and when I enter the verify all my post is gone. WTH is going on here with this forum? How do you avoid this? SOOO frustrating! What a waste of time and effort. Is there anyway to recover all I typed for 45 plus minutes? Autosave I can access?

brwk · November 16, 2015

Is the new Elite can more effective than the "real" RX can?

fondupot · November 16, 2015

Again, just spent 45 minutes typing a long rely to all the questions with detailed explanations, click post and it takes me to a verify screen and when I enter the verify all my post is gone. WTH is going on here with this forum? How do you avoid this? SOOO frustrating! What a waste of time and effort. Is there anyway to recover all I typed for 45 plus minutes? Autosave I can access?

best way to do it is to click "more reply options" next to the "post" button in the quick reply box at the bottom. It takes you to a new page and I've found it saves your typing a lot better. Sometimes the quick reply box loses connection with the page as people add posts while you are typing.

Edited November 16, 2015 by fondupot

GDI Tech · November 16, 2015

Is the new Elite can more effective than the "real" RX can?

The Real RX can (the latest designs and technology) are what E2-X series came from WITH Rx's engineers sharing by contract with them and are properly licensed, so your getting the best of both. The big issue is the cheap glued together knock-off's speedworks is selling threw all of the Real RX Performance Products, LLC's operations into such turmoil and have destroyed the brand. Good question.

best way to do it is to click "more reply options" next to the "post" button in the quick reply box at the bottom. It takes you to a new page and I've found it saves your typing a lot better. Sometimes the quick reply box loses connection with the page as people add posts while you are typing.

Thanks! I will tray it again as soon as I get some time, but here is a condensed version. The post posted each multi-quote, but lost all of the answers I had composed.

Here is a video of a LT1 at 5500 miles. No need to watch the entire video, but pause the first parts and look at the level of coking at these miles.

I have another thread I will make to try and get members that are handy to remove their own intake manifolds and post detailed close up pictures and state the mileage on the engine at the time so we can get some long term wide variety of coking levels so all can get a better idea. If we wait and put blind trust and assumptions that there is no issue and then run into the LS7 valve breakage and valve guide wear debacle it is to late for many and they will have soured on their choice to purser what I strongly believe is the absolute best value in a "supercar" today by a large margin, and the solutions to correct these issues is pretty low cost and hassle (other than the draining), and the biggest confusion I think is people do not understand a big brand 15-20% effective can WON't have much effect as susceptible these now are to the coking issue.

Here is a picture of a LS1 with 142,000 miles on, rarely used top tier fuel (but always premium) and this was my very own C5 as an example:

The fuel spray with ONLY the Federally mandated minimum detergent levels, and the fuel spray keeping the valves clean would not allow most any deposits to form period with port injection, so a "catchcan" provided the benefits of reducing oil caused detonation and slowed/reduced the rate of the ring lands building the varnish deposits that restricted the rings ability to move freely and thus over time compound oil consumption issues.

But today 99% of the cans on the market, no matter the brand name allow so much oil and other compounds past them they do little to combat this issue. The better ones like the original E2 by Elite were a much more effective can than most, but as mentioned by others, you cannot expect to address these issues with GDI fueling technology with the "older" technology of 99% of the "catchcans" on the market. For some history on the Elite cans, the original was known for ages as one of the best for port injection engines, and unlike the majority of brands, Elite was always proactive and was always striving to improve as things advanced and the needs increased for ever effective cans, and due to so many builds, turbo and super charging they developed the E2 can with much greater capacity, app. twice the coalescing ability, and dual outlets to allow for a turbo or centrifugal application where the IM is pressurized with boost. Then as GM launched the GDI V8's for 2014, Elite was very proactive in their R&D and it took a ton of $, time, and bringing in outside experts to design the proper system that does stop nearly all of these compounds, and then the over a year of testing and engine tear downs to see the effects as well as the final "independent testing taking months and thousands of miles against the other top selling brands out there to prove first hand they had the solution, with ColoradoSpeed following closely behind with this similar technology instead of the same old technology and designs most all have stuck with ignoring these new engines needs.

I think what so many are stuck on is in the past using the popular cans did help reduce oil ingestion caused detonation and KR, but most that did take their TB off could see plenty of oil getting past so it created on "sour taste" as all claim to be the "best". And then with Elite, some are installing the lower priced early designs that even though can be used, and the E2 will slow the coking rate down for sure, these were designed for non GDI engines and until Elite had gone through all the time, money, effort to prove the effectiveness they certainly were not going to offer the best they had at the time as the best solution at the time, and for those on a budget the lower priced options are attractive if price is the determining factor over the ultimate solution recently released.

So, Elite even though they had been working on the E2-X series for over a year, was hardly going to stop selling the best they had up until release, and so many will put the psychological barrier of price before "whats best" , and the E2 will help to slow the coking rate and is far better than 99% of any other brands you will find, don't at all be disappointed in all the time, expense, effort, and testing for over a years to make sure they had the best possible solution for these new GDI engines before they released them. And reading the testing against other cans is amazing to see even the # one seller in America's best can that the E2-X caught appropriately twice as much as the first one inline, and reversed almost nothing got through the E2-X. And so many others as well that performed even less effectively than that.

CanyonRunner · November 16, 2015

So just a few months ago when I bought my truck I paid $260+ for an Elite catch can and clean-air-seperator that is now deemed not suitable for DI engines and they have been designing this *new one* for over a year and knew damn well the old one was not effective but continued to sell and promote them anyway.

Now they say "hey get the new one that is for DI, latest greates, blah blah". I am supposed to spend $340+ more for a can that is actualy designed for DI. What am I supposed to do with this one I just paid $260 for, good luck selling a used obsolete catch can. Can I trade you my old one for credit, I think not...

Well, I say F*** that and F*** Elite, that has put a very bad taste in my mouth and I wouldn't spend another dollar on your crap.

(also, that clean-air-seperator is a POS, I removed it after the O-ring on that aluminum head piece you push in the where the old screw cap went broke when changing my 1st oil change, lucky it didnt fall in the engine. Also fit very poorly and did not seem at all water tight)

Elite Engineering · November 17, 2015

So just a few months ago when I bought my truck I paid $260+ for an Elite catch can and clean-air-seperator that is now deemed not suitable for DI engines and they have been designing this *new one* for over a year and knew damn well the old one was not effective but continued to sell and promote them anyway.

Now they say "hey get the new one that is for DI, latest greates, blah blah". I am supposed to spend $340+ more for a can that is actualy designed for DI. What am I supposed to do with this one I just paid $260 for, good luck selling a used obsolete catch can. Can I trade you my old one for credit, I think not...

Well, I say F*** that and F*** Elite, that has put a very bad taste in my mouth and I wouldn't spend another dollar on your crap.

(also, that clean-air-seperator is a POS, I removed it after the O-ring on that aluminum head piece you push in the where the old screw cap went broke when changing my 1st oil change, lucky it didnt fall in the engine. Also fit very poorly and did not seem at all water tight)

All, I'm sorry, but I think this is getting blown way out of proportion. As an engineering and design company, our goal will always be to continue to test and try to improve our products. We have our early generation Catch Cans in place and performing very well for 12+ years. We even have some of our prototypes still on the road and performing well after 15+ years. Our own shop truck is a 2014 GMC 5.3L Sierra, and the only Catch Can ever installed is our E2 Catch Can, and it performs very well. Have we changed our design to make improvements over the years, absolutely. A little trade secret, but through testing we discovered if we machined some internal grooves into the condensing chamber, it helped to eliminate the oil creeping up the catch can sides. Also, our newer Diffusers have a sharp machined edge because about 3 years ago we determined the oil was less likely to stick to the Diffuser surface with a pronounced edge.

Each of our Catch Cans, the "Standard", "E2", or newer design "E2-X" has unique features that are specific to that generation. Some customers prefer the bottom drain, some customers like the option to completely remove the bottom of the Catch Can for inspection and cleaning, some like the compact smaller size and price of the more economical Standard Catch Can. This is a perfect example of one size does not fit all.

As I've stated before, All three versions are constructed of 6061-T6 aluminum with an anodized finish. All three versions utilize the same corrosion resistant Stainless Steel coalescing media in the coalescing chamber. All three versions do a great job of condensing the oil vapor, trapping, and keeping the oil inside the container.

On another note, if you really don't like the Clean-Side Separator, we would be happy to offer you a refund. We always stand behind everything we design, manufacture, and sell.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Elite Engineering

sneakypete6 · November 17, 2015

Each of our Catch Cans, the "Standard", "E2", or newer design "E2-X" has unique features that are specific to that generation. Some customers prefer the bottom drain, some customers like the option to completely remove the bottom of the Catch Can for inspection and cleaning, some like the compact smaller size and price of the more economical Standard Catch Can. This is a perfect example of one size does not fit all.

Is this the option I want for my truck?

Elite Engineering · November 17, 2015

Yes, that's a great choice. It will come with one Inlet and one Exit connection.

kennerz · November 17, 2015

All, I'm sorry, but I think this is getting blown way out of proportion. As an engineering and design company, our goal will always be to continue to test and try to improve our products. We have our early generation Catch Cans in place and performing very well for 12+ years. We even have some of our prototypes still on the road and performing well after 15+ years. Our own shop truck is a 2014 GMC 5.3L Sierra, and the only Catch Can ever installed is our E2 Catch Can, and it performs very well. Have we changed our design to make improvements over the years, absolutely. A little trade secret, but through testing we discovered if we machined some internal grooves into the condensing chamber, it helped to eliminate the oil creeping up the catch can sides. Also, our newer Diffusers have a sharp machined edge because about 3 years ago we determined the oil was less likely to stick to the Diffuser surface with a pronounced edge.

Each of our Catch Cans, the "Standard", "E2", or newer design "E2-X" has unique features that are specific to that generation. Some customers prefer the bottom drain, some customers like the option to completely remove the bottom of the Catch Can for inspection and cleaning, some like the compact smaller size and price of the more economical Standard Catch Can. This is a perfect example of one size does not fit all.

As I've stated before, All three versions are constructed of 6061-T6 aluminum with an anodized finish. All three versions utilize the same corrosion resistant Stainless Steel coalescing media in the coalescing chamber. All three versions do a great job of condensing the oil vapor, trapping, and keeping the oil inside the container.

On another note, if you really don't like the Clean-Side Separator, we would be happy to offer you a refund. We always stand behind everything we design, manufacture, and sell.

Elite - I just bought your gen 1 through APEX for my 15' 6.2 two weeks ago. Are you now saying it's an ineffective choice for a DI application? The timelyness of your response kinda sucks. You guys are on here on a regular basis and many look to your expertise on this subject for guideance. I read through many of your old posts to research and it is suspect that you didn't let anyone really know your DI related findings while you were in developement. (also stating how effective your gen 1 can was- the impression was you meant for DI being in a K2XX forum). Had I known your were soon to release a DI purposed product I would have waited. Not a cool way to burn through your old obsolete stock. I really don't want to feel like you had taken advantage of members who have relied on your feedback and reputation to make purchase desicions. Howerver you really need to consider your response and tone. Most here weren't born yesterday & understand both standard engineering and business language. A generic canned response that "sound's" good to you could loose a lot of future business.

Not sure that "Canyon runner's" response was unwaranted at this point, I'm in the same boat. You need better reasoning than what you offered above. I chose your product at the last minute over another competing product based on your post. Gotta see some integrity here.

JimmyVal · November 17, 2015

Again, just spent 45 minutes typing a long rely to all the questions with detailed explanations, click post and it takes me to a verify screen and when I enter the verify all my post is gone. WTH is going on here with this forum? How do you avoid this? SOOO frustrating! What a waste of time and effort. Is there anyway to recover all I typed for 45 plus minutes? Autosave I can access?

GDI Tech - First thanks for the time you've spent sharing you knowledge on the DI process and the history of catch cans. I've learned quite a bit.

I've had this site 'time out' on me during long posts I had prepared. What I do now is to use a good text editor and prepare my response, when it's long, in the editor. Then cut and paste into the dialog box on the website right after clicking the quote button so the site doesn't time out. I then can add any extra HTML related gestures after the paste pasted. If for some reason the text doesn't post, I still have it in the editor.

Hope that helps!

GDI Tech · November 17, 2015

Thanks Jimmy,

And for the others to echo Elite Engineering, there is no "outdated" model of Elite....not sure how to better explain it, but even the base Elite is still one of the best cans you can find out there for the price! It is twice the effectiveness of most current brand cans!! Each model when compared to other brands of similar cost will exceed that other brand in it's abaility to trap and contain the oil mist you do not want ingesting, and each new model has been an improvement over the others as the need is ever evolving. But Canyonrunner, you have not been sold a system unsuitable for your truck....each Elite dealer currently offers each model, and depending when you bought yours it may have been the top model at that time and is still an excellent choice that is doing a great job as I explain in each of my posts. It would be foolish to stop selling the other models the same as say a TV maker now has a 62" so it certainly should not stop selling a 50" for those on that budget. (hope that is a proper analogy).

If you look out there at 99% of the company's selling "catchcans", most will not even come close to the effectiveness of the base Elite so look at just how much care and effort Elite goes into in ongoing R&D to bring the "best" when most are still selling the same old design they have for years no matter what the advances in automotive technology are.

Again, for those that have a set amount they want to spend any of the cans are a great help. The base good (far better than most cans out there period), the E2 a great step up and I have pointed out how and why, and the latest E2-X that is currently unequalled.

Canyon runner, as Elite has stated, I have seen them always stand behind their various products and see no reason why they would not now. Simply send it back for a replacement or a refund, but the value of using it is great so I suggest a replacement. If it was me, I would have done so as soon as I was aware there was an issue.

Also, the used market is always strong on the many forums for any Elite product if you do want the latest. Just because they are constantly striving to offer the best and constantly work on improving and staying at the "top" with so many only worried about selling and not investing in always having the best and meeting what the industry needs should create loyalty IMHO.

Edited November 17, 2015 by GDI Tech