California's really screwed now!

[Matte454]

I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that no refinery fire is intentional. I have worked in both oil sands upgrading and currently work at a refinery. They pay huge dollars to try avoid these incidents, as the cost of downtime is so much. Not to mention the labor and contractors that will have to be brought in for fixing the burnt down unit. Oil companies like to have their maintenance and repairs planned years in advance. Field equipment gets checked, recorded every 3 hours or more often. X-rays and preventative maintenance are done daily to keep refineries running. We discuss these fires In a lot of detail and they are defenetly taken seriously and something that personally scares the crap out of me. Thankful nobody was killed!

 

This is not to say I don't think there is price gouging going on because of the fire because I'm sure it is.

[Prokopchuk_9]

I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that no refinery fire is intentional. I have worked in both oil sands upgrading and currently work at a refinery. They pay huge dollars to try avoid these incidents, as the cost of downtime is so much. Not to mention the labor and contractors that will have to be brought in for fixing the burnt down unit. Oil companies like to have their maintenance and repairs planned years in advance. Field equipment gets checked, recorded every 3 hours or more often. X-rays and preventative maintenance are done daily to keep refineries running. We discuss these fires In a lot of detail and they are defenetly taken seriously and something that personally scares the crap out of me. Thankful nobody was killed!

 

This is not to say I don't think there is price gouging going on because of the fire because I'm sure it is.

 

Who did you work for in McMurray? I've worked for a few now and you are %100 correct

[Wolfmanjohn]

Another refinery fire in the bay area at Shell in Martinez last night; get ready for some more price increases. Anyone care to hop on my conspiracy theory wagon? There's still plenty of room and comfortable seating back there, plus I just put a new roll of aluminum foil in it. Any takers?

[Chris]

$3.95 here right now at AM PM which is a BP subsidiary. A new shipment came in last night. Haven't checked the price today

[00Silverado4x4]

Another refinery fire in the bay area at Shell in Martinez last night; get ready for some more price increases. Anyone care to hop on my conspiracy theory wagon? There's still plenty of room and comfortable seating back there, plus I just put a new roll of aluminum foil in it. Any takers?

 

I do, I do, oh wait, I'm already on board at this point....lol

[Matte454]

Worked for suncor, in fort mcmurray, 2007 pre recession so that was when things were really crazy up there.

 

Worked for suncor, in fort mcmurray, 2007 pre recession so that was when things were really crazy up there.

[Matte454]

The special gas for California car-bob wich is its spec name can be produced from most places. Also other states bob(ethanol shit blend) or rul (old good regular) can be barged in and re-blended and sold within days. There are ships full of offshore world grade gasoline that stay in the pacific ocean and wait for a crisis then arrive in days time and rape the refinery on the cost of the fuel (passed on to consumers) The refinery then blends it to meet the local specs and sells it. This does not help the chevron and shell of the worlds bottom lines.

[Prokopchuk_9]

$3.95 here right now at AM PM which is a BP subsidiary. A new shipment came in last night. Haven't checked the price today

 

Still cheap!!!!!!!!!

[Prokopchuk_9]

Worked for suncor, in fort mcmurray, 2007 pre recession so that was when things were really crazy up there.Worked for suncor, in fort mcmurray, 2007 pre recession so that was when things were really crazy up there.

 

Ya I've been workin up there since 05...still crazy lol. My dad works for suncor in management in mine maintenance. That's the field I'm in also, for shell.

[jdubub]

Referring to the thread title....... I always thought Cali was screwed and screwy anyway!?

[aalbanezjr]

I can't seem to comprehend why the refinery would pass on the damage costs down the line. If my restaurant were to have a fire, a kitchen equipment or refrigeration/freezer failure do I get to raise my prices to make up for my loss? Hell no, my customers would tell me to pound sand and go somewhere else and eat. Don't the refineries carry insurance to cover these issues? My insurance would take care of it but than raise my rates somewhere down the line. It just isn't right. By the way, we're paying $4.09+ here in Orange County for regular.

[Chris]

I'm at $4.09 at the Texaco I go to here in Bakersfield. Cheapest I've seen is $3.99

 

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[SarahsGMC]

3.94 around here same price as diesel

[therapy]

I can't seem to comprehend why the refinery would pass on the damage costs down the line. If my restaurant were to have a fire, a kitchen equipment or refrigeration/freezer failure do I get to raise my prices to make up for my loss? Hell no, my customers would tell me to pound sand and go somewhere else and eat. Don't the refineries carry insurance to cover these issues? My insurance would take care of it but than raise my rates somewhere down the line. It just isn't right. By the way, we're paying $4.09+ here in Orange County for regular.

 

 

That's kind of a broken analogy. Your restaurant is more analogous to a single gas station. The refinery is more like a major food wholesaler. So let's say that a major wholesaler that sells to a few thousand restaurants (some independent, some chains) gets shut down by the FDA for health violations or something. Now all those thousands of restaurants have to buy their food from the other existing wholesalers.

 

Basic supply and demand, right? Supply was X, now it's X-1. Demand is still Y.

 

Prices go up.

 

Now that being said, I'm sure that gas stations are artificially inflating prices. They almost always do whenever there's any excuse. Oil goes up in price? Gas goes up the next day. Oil plummets in price? It takes weeks for gas to drop.

[Chris]

3.94 around here same price as diesel

 

 

Diesel here is anywhere between $4.30-$4.60