Got pulled over for my HIDs

[Mike74]

Ok Agrats, I figured out you are in New Jersey and have been combing through the statutes. Your motor vehicle statutes are in Title 39. Here is what I have found so far.

 

39:3-47. Illuminating devices required; violations, fines.

 

39:3-47. No person shall drive, move, park or be in custody of any vehicle or combination of vehicles on any street or highway unless such vehicle or combination of vehicles is equipped with lamps and illuminating devices as hereinafter in this article respectively required for different classes of vehicles.

 

a. No person shall drive, move, park or be in custody of any vehicle or combination of vehicles on any street or highway during the times when lighted lamps are required unless such vehicle or combination of vehicles displays lighted lamps and illuminating devices as hereinafter in this article required. Failure to use lighted lamps when lighted lamps are required may result in a fine not to exceed $50.00. In no case shall motor vehicle points or automobile insurance eligibility points pursuant to section 26 of P.L.1990, c.8 (C:17:33B-14) be assessed against any person for a violation of this subsection. A person who is fined under this subsection for a violation of this subsection shall not be subject to a surcharge under the New Jersey Merit Rating Plan as provided in section 6 of P.L.1983, c.65 (C:17:29A-35).

 

b. No person shall use on any vehicle any approved electric lamp or similar device unless the light source of such lamp or device complies with the conditions of approval as to focus and rated candlepower.

 

c. No person shall alter the equipment or performance of equipment of any vehicle which has been approved at an official inspection station designated by the commission with intent to defeat the purpose of such inspection, and no person shall drive or use any vehicle with equipment so altered.

 

 

39:3-48. Visibility

(a) Whenever there shall be in this article a requirement declared as to the distance from which certain lamps and devices shall render objects visible or within which such lamps or devices shall be visible, said provisions shall apply during the times when lighted lamps are required upon a straight level unlighted highway under normal atmospheric conditions unless a different time or condition is expressly stated.

 

(b) The light from every required exterior lamp on a vehicle shall be visible from a distance of 500 feet in the directions set forth therefor in paragraph (d) of this section except that the light illuminating a license plate shall cause the license plate to be clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet to the rear. Such visibility is not required when the light is obscured by another vehicle in a combination of vehicles.

 

© Every required Class A reflector shall be visible from all distances between 100 and 600 feet, and every required Class B reflector shall be visible from all distances between 100 and 350 feet, when illuminated by the upper beam of headlamps.

 

(d) Light from every headlamp, other driving lamp, clearance lamp, identification lamp and single-faced turn signal mounted on or at the front of a vehicle, and front parking light, shall be visible to the front; that from every side-marker lamp and side reflector shall be visible to the side; that from every stop lamp, tail lamp, clearance lamp, identification lamp, back-up lamp and reflector mounted on the rear, from every turn signal mounted on the rear of a vehicle or the cab of a truck tractor, and from any rear parking lamp, shall be visible to the rear; that from any double-faced turn signal shall be visible to the front and to the rear at the side on which such lamp is mounted; and that from any projecting load marker lamp or combination marker lamp shall be visible from the direction stated in the provision requiring it.

 

39:3-57. Single-beam road lighting

Approved single-beam headlamps shall be so aimed that when the vehicle is not loaded none of the high-intensity portion of the light shall at a distance of twenty-five feet ahead project higher than a level of five inches below the level of the center of the lamp from which it comes, and in no case higher than forty-two inches above the level on which the vehicle stands at a distance of seventy-five feet ahead. The intensity shall be sufficient to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least two hundred feet.

 

 

39:3-58. Multiple-beam road lighting

Approved multiple beam headlamps shall be so arranged that the driver may control the selection between different distributions of light subject to the following requirements and limitations:

 

There shall be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of such intensity as to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 350 feet ahead for all conditions of loading.

 

There shall be a lowermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 100 feet ahead; and on a straight level road under any condition of loading none of the high-intensity portion of the beam shall be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver.

 

 

 

39:3-60. Use of multiple-beam road lighting equipment

Every person driving a motor vehicle equipped with multiple-beam road lighting equipment, during the times when lighted lamps are required, shall use a distribution of light, or composite beam, directed high enough and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a safe distance in advance of the vehicle, subject to the following requirements and limitations: whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within five hundred feet, such driver shall use a distribution of light or composite beam so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver, and in no case shall the high-intensity portion which is projected to the left of the prolongation of the extreme left side of the vehicle be aimed higher than the center of the lamp from which it comes at a distance of twenty-five feet ahead, and in no case higher than a level of forty-two inches above the level upon which the vehicle stands at a distance of seventy-five feet ahead.

 

 

 

I highlighted the candlepower statement to point out that even though it says that, there is no specified candlepower stated ANYWHERE except for warning lights.

[markw8]

I've never understood the whole driving around with the fog lights on too. It's distracting looking at all those lights. Then you get the people who level and/or lift their trucks and don't bother to reaim the lights.

 

Mark

[ChevyTech77]

If you are not suppose to drive with your fog lights on, when are you supposed to use them?

[Doug_Scott]

Ok Agrats, I figured out you are in New Jersey and have been combing through the statutes. Your motor vehicle statutes are in Title 39. Here is what I have found so far.

 

 

b. No person shall use on any vehicle any approved electric lamp or similar device unless the light source of such lamp or device complies with the conditions of approval as to focus and rated candlepower.

 

 

 

I highlighted the candlepower statement to point out that even though it says that, there is no specified candlepower stated ANYWHERE except for warning lights.

 

 

It may be in the federal requirements. In Canada, we have provincial laws/requirements, and federal laws/requirements. Does the US have similar system? Perhaps the DOT standards have something about candlepower or light requirements?

[MikeNH]

^{The real reason LEOs do not like HIDs: It interferes with lidar guns and can delay speed readings for several seconds. This allows a driver with a V1 time to adjust speed before it is acquired in the lidars HUD. While it does not work every time and should not be counted upon to help you avoid a speeding ticket, it is a well-known interference item that lets many V1 equipped speeders escape free.}

 

 

 

Not proven. Every article I found that mentions this says the results are inconsistent.

[Morgan1986]

If you are not suppose to drive with your fog lights on, when are you supposed to use them?

 

when there is low visibility on the road lol . that is one of the funniest questions ive heard. They where great in heavy snow fall or foggy wheather and heavy rain . The light does not bounce back off the snow /fog/rain like high beams do . it cuts thrue it under it and you can see alot nicer but if your using them for every day driving that is just stupid .

 

^{The real reason LEOs do not like HIDs: It interferes with lidar guns and can delay speed readings for several seconds. This allows a driver with a V1 time to adjust speed before it is acquired in the lidars HUD. While it does not work every time and should not be counted upon to help you avoid a speeding ticket, it is a well-known interference item that lets many V1 equipped speeders escape free.}

 

still can get them for there lights tho . and ask them "do you know how fast you where going" and see if they say anything and then warn them about there lights if you cant prove that there illegal. becuase then they might be thinking to change out the lights. The way i see it cops spend to much time in there vehcal . So many people go more than 10km over the speed limit all the time. Hell if i was a cop (dad said he would disown me) i would be running a martion getting in and out of the car fining people. yes i see speed traps somtimes near the end of the month when they are trying to get there quoata in but i never understoon why cops dont start cracking down on cars going over 10km over the speed limit . most people in alberta are going just 10km over the speed witch is fine but anything over that should be fined. and like one out of five cars go over 10 km and some over 25 km . Like i personaly dislike cops alot of them are crooked . and the few good ones become crooked or get pushed out to the middle of no where but that happens with most people if they have power.

[KMGZ400]

If you are not suppose to drive with your fog lights on, when are you supposed to use them?

 

when there is low visibility on the road lol . that is one of the funniest questions ive heard. They where great in heavy snow fall or foggy wheather and heavy rain . The light does not bounce back off the snow /fog/rain like high beams do . it cuts thrue it under it and you can see alot nicer but if your using them for every day driving that is just stupid .

 

^{The real reason LEOs do not like HIDs: It interferes with lidar guns and can delay speed readings for several seconds. This allows a driver with a V1 time to adjust speed before it is acquired in the lidars HUD. While it does not work every time and should not be counted upon to help you avoid a speeding ticket, it is a well-known interference item that lets many V1 equipped speeders escape free.}

 

still can get them for there lights tho . and ask them "do you know how fast you where going" and see if they say anything and then warn them about there lights if you cant prove that there illegal. becuase then they might be thinking to change out the lights. The way i see it cops spend to much time in there vehcal . So many people go more than 10km over the speed limit all the time. Hell if i was a cop (dad said he would disown me) i would be running a martion getting in and out of the car fining people. yes i see speed traps somtimes near the end of the month when they are trying to get there quoata in but i never understoon why cops dont start cracking down on cars going over 10km over the speed limit . most people in alberta are going just 10km over the speed witch is fine but anything over that should be fined. and like one out of five cars go over 10 km and some over 25 km . Like i personaly dislike cops alot of them are crooked . and the few good ones become crooked or get pushed out to the middle of no where but that happens with most people if they have power.

 

 

 

soo, if you have a truck with foglights, your stupid if you want to turn them on?

[Morgan1986]

If you are not suppose to drive with your fog lights on, when are you supposed to use them?

 

when there is low visibility on the road lol . that is one of the funniest questions ive heard. They where great in heavy snow fall or foggy wheather and heavy rain . The light does not bounce back off the snow /fog/rain like high beams do . it cuts thrue it under it and you can see alot nicer but if your using them for every day driving that is just stupid .

 

^{The real reason LEOs do not like HIDs: It interferes with lidar guns and can delay speed readings for several seconds. This allows a driver with a V1 time to adjust speed before it is acquired in the lidars HUD. While it does not work every time and should not be counted upon to help you avoid a speeding ticket, it is a well-known interference item that lets many V1 equipped speeders escape free.}

 

still can get them for there lights tho . and ask them "do you know how fast you where going" and see if they say anything and then warn them about there lights if you cant prove that there illegal. becuase then they might be thinking to change out the lights. The way i see it cops spend to much time in there vehcal . So many people go more than 10km over the speed limit all the time. Hell if i was a cop (dad said he would disown me) i would be running a martion getting in and out of the car fining people. yes i see speed traps somtimes near the end of the month when they are trying to get there quoata in but i never understoon why cops dont start cracking down on cars going over 10km over the speed limit . most people in alberta are going just 10km over the speed witch is fine but anything over that should be fined. and like one out of five cars go over 10 km and some over 25 km . Like i personaly dislike cops alot of them are crooked . and the few good ones become crooked or get pushed out to the middle of no where but that happens with most people if they have power.

 

 

 

soo, if you have a truck with foglights, your stupid if you want to turn them on?

 

yea i believe so (THERE CALLED FOG LIGHTS) its like high beams there for a purpose and fog lights are for a purpose . fog lights are blinding and distacting for normal day driving . and i will call anyone stupid if they want to use them for no real reason but to see alittle better and blind most people . its dangours for one to see alittle better but blind the people coming towards you lol . to me its alittle less worse then somone driving with there high beams towards you and not turning them off. Fog lights are for days when its raining heavy,snowing heavy, or fogy they work better than your high beams becuase high beams will blind your self when the light reflects off the fog or rain or snow. they work amazing for that . They dont do bugger all if its a nice clear day out and if you live in a state or prov that does not rain,snow, or get fog then you really dont need them and if you have them and drive around with them on then you might not realize it but your pissing alot of people off and if you think you are not then think again.

[KMGZ400]

idk where you live, but 80 percent of the cars i see have their foglights on, no stock foglights i have ever seen are blinding.

[Morgan1986]

idk where you live, but 80 percent of the cars i see have their foglights on, no stock foglights i have ever seen are blinding.

 

cars you see. I live in alberta now and most of the vehicals here are trucks all new trucks with lift kits and all sorts of after market stuff here . People are doing amazing in alberta love this province if you need to work. i say about 65 percent of vehcials here are trucks and new trucks nonthing older than 4 years old . alot of new dodges ,fords and gm trucks . and like i said they are blinding and like i said they dont do much for visibiliety when useing them for normal day driving . cars with fog lights never had a problem and even some stock trucks but when a truck even has a level kit on them the lights are all not aimed right anymore . and it gets dark here around 430 pm and to have a consent stream of trucks with fog lights on is annoying really annoying . and yes it is blinding compared to a truck with just there regualar lights on. When i was in the states mostly watshition that state almost seemed poor compared to alberta by just looking at vehicals . alot of older trucks and cars .Fogs lights have only been a problem with me since i moved to alberta 5 years ago . before that did not really bother me . in less there is somthing i dont know but i think people get a hard on when driving with them lol

[00Silverado4x4]

True/stock FOG lights should not be blinding at all. If they were they would reflect the light back to the driver in a real fog condition and prove to be worthless. Just like driving in fog with high beams on, doesn't work. After all fog lights used to be yellow so the light they provide wouldn't reflect as bad. The real problem is people pull the bulbs and put in higher intensity bulbs that are blinding or worse add driving lights and have them running ALL the time. I personally don't have a problem with real FOG lights, just the people who replace the bulbs with the blinding bulbs or refuse to go to low beams when driving around other drivers.

I use my fog lights when driving in intermittant fog/smoke areas and usually leave them on until I know I'm past the area.

 

No insults intended to anyone, just needed to get my rant out.

[markw8]

If you are not suppose to drive with your fog lights on, when are you supposed to use them?

 

 

When it's foggy. IDK, maybe a lot of people driving tall trucks with bad vision.

 

Mark

[BlackZ71Silverado]

How are you guys that install HID's in the factory housing passing your vehicle inspection?

[KMGZ400]

How are you guys that install HID's in the factory housing passing your vehicle inspection?

 

 

are you not allowed to have them in PA?

[agrats84]

How are you guys that install HID's in the factory housing passing your vehicle inspection?

 

 

In New Jersey, the only thing they check is emissions.